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The Thriller

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It seems to me like we have a segment of the population that hasn’t gotten over Obergefell so as a result, trans children are now the new target to be terrorized.



Similar laws have been/shortly will be passed in most ALEC controlled states, Texas, Florida, etc. Republicans take these ALEC written laws and pass them knowing that it really excites their base who just can’t get over gay marriage.

This is incredibly disturbing. Especially when you consider that many of the folks celebrating these highly intrusive and authoritarian laws have for the last two years bitched about needing freedom from the tyranny of wearing cloth over their faces during a pandemic.


Dehumanizing the LGBT community with such overbearing laws isn’t going to accomplish anything good. These children already share a disproportionate amount of depression, homelessness, and suicide. I can’t imagine these laws will help things. Or their families.
 


Ron Mexico

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I dont think much of this would get upheld in a court, especially moving to a new state.

What exactly is the gender affirming care? If its surgery than I am more somewhat okay with this type of law. I think trans kids should wait until they are adults to make those major decisions, maybe even hormone treatments. If its support and mental health care and more basic needs than that is terrible.

It is a hard subject in regards to the surgery. But that is a major life choice and I dont think a child should make that choice that young even with parental and medical guidance. I kind of get the life saving argument for teens dealing with that, but I still think there are better options and it can wait. Even though every teen thinks they cant wait for anything. I understand hormone treatments and surgery can lower the risk of suicide, but I think therapy and support can also help them until they are an adult and can properly make that choice. Kids brains are not developed and often make poor choices. But I dont know, maybe there is more I am missing. I guess hormones are less permanent and major, so maybe.

I cant think of something similar with this though, which makes it more hard. Obviously being transgendered is real and a huge ordeal to deal with. As far as surgery goes to me that should wait. As far as hormones and blockers that one is a little more debatable people who are not adults yet. Its not the same but I also would be opposed to parents giving their teens plastic surgery because they dont like something about themselves. I think they should wait. But I guess there are some I am less opposed to like cleft lip of babies. Its a whole lot of issues with this area in general. Even circumcision is debatable to me. But I doubt these conservatives would support a bill banning circumcision like they are with this, which might be worse from a neutral view.

But I am far from an expert in this and would trust people who are experts.

TLDR: I dont really know much about it but I see there is room for a debate with some of it. Its a complicated issue that is way above me.
 

Ron Mexico

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One of the most common versions are puberty blockers. They are used routinely in cases of early puberty, and have very minimal side effects.
Just a quick research shows that is only a temporary thing, that starts around 10-11 or so and is used for a couple years until needing to go a different route. They do have some long term effects but it doesnt seem to bad short term. They will definitely effect growth, fertility later, other stuff.

But those seem more reasonable assuming proper steps were taken with medical professionals. But I can still see some debate to it especially with kids that age.
 

JazzGal

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I don't think legislators should be making these types of medical decisions. While I agree that it would probably be best in almost all cases to delay surgery until adulthood, I still don't think that should be the legislature's business.

And I don't think this will do well in a legal battle anyway. But I'm sure they don't really care - they got what they wanted anyway. Votes from the highly prejudiced among us.

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Al-O-Meter

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I don't think legislators should be making these types of medical decisions. While I agree that it would probably be best in almost all cases to delay surgery until adulthood, I still don't think that should be the legislature's business.
I can agree with this. This issue belongs in the domain of the courts. All the legislatures should do is strip crimes against children of statues of limitations protections. If some moron parent thinks their 5 year old boy is really a girl trapped in a boy’s body and finds a care provider who will perform surgery or prescribe a course of medications that permanently alter that child, then a decade or so later the child commits suicide the care providers should all be liable.

We already have the data. Gender-dysphoric children who receive care no more intrusive than counseling usually end up growing to be homosexual adults while gender-dysphoric children who receive some form of irreversible “gender-affirming” medical care have a significantly higher rate of suicide.

Conclusions: Most children with gender dysphoria will not remain gender dysphoric after puberty. Children with persistent GID are characterized by more extreme gender dysphoria in childhood than children with desisting gender dysphoria. With regard to sexual orientation, the most likely outcome of childhood GID is homosexuality or bisexuality.


If knowing that, as we do now know, a doctor still goes forward with a course statistically more likely to end in the child’s death then that doctor should be held liable, and the hospital held liable, and the drug company held liable. We also have child endangerment laws already on the books to charge the parents with, so we really don’t need new ones that specially target the parents who sign off. Those parents who sign off on permanent "gender-affirming" alterations to their children should be treated like the parents who put their kids into child porn.
 

The Thriller

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I don't think legislators should be making these types of medical decisions. While I agree that it would probably be best in almost all cases to delay surgery until adulthood, I still don't think that should be the legislature's business.

And I don't think this will do well in a legal battle anyway. But I'm sure they don't really care - they got what they wanted anyway. Votes from the highly prejudiced among us.

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And to criminalize this with sentences of life in prison? This is just nothing more than republicans (the party of small government *giggle*) feeding their anti LGBT base red meat.
 

LogGrad98

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It seems to me like we have a segment of the population that hasn’t gotten over Obergefell so as a result, trans children are now the new target to be terrorized.



Similar laws have been/shortly will be passed in most ALEC controlled states, Texas, Florida, etc. Republicans take these ALEC written laws and pass them knowing that it really excites their base who just can’t get over gay marriage.

This is incredibly disturbing. Especially when you consider that many of the folks celebrating these highly intrusive and authoritarian laws have for the last two years bitched about needing freedom from the tyranny of wearing cloth over their faces during a pandemic.


Dehumanizing the LGBT community with such overbearing laws isn’t going to accomplish anything good. These children already share a disproportionate amount of depression, homelessness, and suicide. I can’t imagine these laws will help things. Or their families.

Enforcing this will be nearly impossible. No way the courts uphold this crap. Especially the part about moving to another state. How do they determine that? Such garbage.
 

LogGrad98

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I don't think legislators should be making these types of medical decisions. While I agree that it would probably be best in almost all cases to delay surgery until adulthood, I still don't think that should be the legislature's business.

And I don't think this will do well in a legal battle anyway. But I'm sure they don't really care - they got what they wanted anyway. Votes from the highly prejudiced among us.

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IMO legislators should be making zero medical decisions, aside from things that are clearly harmful, as determined by a competent medical board. Otherwise, keep the lawmakers the **** out of the personal medical decisions. Periodt.
 

LogGrad98

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I dont think much of this would get upheld in a court, especially moving to a new state.

What exactly is the gender affirming care? If its surgery than I am more somewhat okay with this type of law. I think trans kids should wait until they are adults to make those major decisions, maybe even hormone treatments. If its support and mental health care and more basic needs than that is terrible.

It is a hard subject in regards to the surgery. But that is a major life choice and I dont think a child should make that choice that young even with parental and medical guidance. I kind of get the life saving argument for teens dealing with that, but I still think there are better options and it can wait. Even though every teen thinks they cant wait for anything. I understand hormone treatments and surgery can lower the risk of suicide, but I think therapy and support can also help them until they are an adult and can properly make that choice. Kids brains are not developed and often make poor choices. But I dont know, maybe there is more I am missing. I guess hormones are less permanent and major, so maybe.

I cant think of something similar with this though, which makes it more hard. Obviously being transgendered is real and a huge ordeal to deal with. As far as surgery goes to me that should wait. As far as hormones and blockers that one is a little more debatable people who are not adults yet. Its not the same but I also would be opposed to parents giving their teens plastic surgery because they dont like something about themselves. I think they should wait. But I guess there are some I am less opposed to like cleft lip of babies. Its a whole lot of issues with this area in general. Even circumcision is debatable to me. But I doubt these conservatives would support a bill banning circumcision like they are with this, which might be worse from a neutral view.

But I am far from an expert in this and would trust people who are experts.

TLDR: I dont really know much about it but I see there is room for a debate with some of it. Its a complicated issue that is way above me.
This is tough for minors. Hard decisions all the way around with possible lifelong ramifications. My daughter, who came out as bi in high school, is involved in this community with many friends. She had a friend who wanted gender affirming surgery when she was 14. Now at 22 she is very happy it didn't happen and feels that she is better as a lesbian than as a man. There is a reason minors cannot sign contracts and such, they tend to make decisions based on hormones and very limited knowledge that as an adult they might not make. I can get behind restrictions like this, but sweeping criminalization of these kinds of decisions is just ridiculous.
 


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