Fluoride is not relevant to public sanitation. Sewage treatment and air quality post coal-based industrialization are what they're referring to.
Anti-vaccination movement probably contributing to re-emergence of disease
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Fluoride is not relevant to public sanitation. Sewage treatment and air quality post coal-based industrialization are what they're referring to.
I never said fluoride was relevant to public sanitation. I said it was relevant to toothpaste. However, I'd love to hear the relevance of that fact of their use in coal-based industrialization.
Gotcha. Gotchu.
Here are some related articles----
Here's a statement on fluoride put out by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/02/22/epa-reverses-fluoride/
'Half of UK Physicians Refuse to Take H1N1 Vaccination'
https://www.lewrockwell.com/spl/doctors-refuse-flu-shots.html
Ex-vaccine worker (bio-chemist)
https://www.alternative-doctor.com/vaccination/rappaport.htm
@Siromar -- You said: The response I heard is that improved sanitation, access to clean food and water, and other hygiene related innovations were the culprits [credited to improved public health]. Which is ironic, since those who bitch about vaccines tend to be the same people who complain about fluoride toothpaste, anti-bacterial soap, and other obviously useful innovations.
I said: Fluoride is not relevant to public sanitation...
You were saying that people who tend to 'bitch' about fluoride toothpaste, etc. are the same people who credit sanitation, access to clean food and water, and other hygiene related innovations . I'm saying fluoride is irrelevant to public sanitation. So it wouldn't be ironic for people to complain about about excessive fluoride (primarily in drinking water and other beverages, btw), and still believe in the health value of sanitation. But what you said just fits with the other obtuse, derisive and misinformed statements....
I said: Fluoride is not relevant to public sanitation...
You were saying that people who tend to 'bitch' about fluoride toothpaste, etc. are the same people who credit sanitation, access to clean food and water, and other hygiene related innovations . I'm saying fluoride is irrelevant to public sanitation. So it wouldn't be ironic for people to complain about about excessive fluoride (primarily in drinking water and other beverages, btw), and still believe in the health value of sanitation. But what you said just fits with the other obtuse, derisive and misinformed statements....
Also, that article says there is a significant increase in cases of whooping cough compared to just one year ago in the state of Washington. Then the author says that the "anti-vax" movement is strong in Washington, as a certain number of parents don't want to vaccinate their children.....
So, is the author making some leap to say that there is a causal relationship here? Are children who weren't vaccinated in the last year or two the ones who have come down with whooping cough? The author presents no meaningful connection from the data that kids who weren't vaccinated in the last year account for the new cases of whooping cough.
Edit: And what's special about Washington in the past year? What about the people who don't get vaccinated in other states?
Separately, what are the radiation levels in the Pacific Northwest during the past year since the Fukushima reactors have been releasing over 100x the 'safe' levels of radiation into the jet stream that flows into the state of Washington.
Maybe there are some other causal factors at work here.
So, is the author making some leap to say that there is a causal relationship here? Are children who weren't vaccinated in the last year or two the ones who have come down with whooping cough? The author presents no meaningful connection from the data that kids who weren't vaccinated in the last year account for the new cases of whooping cough.
Edit: And what's special about Washington in the past year? What about the people who don't get vaccinated in other states?
Separately, what are the radiation levels in the Pacific Northwest during the past year since the Fukushima reactors have been releasing over 100x the 'safe' levels of radiation into the jet stream that flows into the state of Washington.
Maybe there are some other causal factors at work here.
You insist on making this about fluoridated water. That is something that has not been mentioned in this thread. My only mention of fluoride was in the phrase "fluoride toothpaste". You picked separate parts of the sentence and combined them together to make it an argument you know how to respond to. I used fluoride toothpaste as an example personal hygiene innovations, which was also part of the sentence. Just because you're used to apologetics for justifying your irrational beliefs does not mean they work when the author you're interpreting is available to respond.
The second link is about a specific vaccine that was developed in a rush in response to a possible epidemic. The doctors specified that this vaccine had not been tested well enough to justify the risk. Specially given the mildness of the disease.
The third, and by far the most hilarious, "proof" is your third link. An anonymous "vaccine developer" who's talking about the vaccination conspiracy on a magic website. Nice! I can't for your next series of links. An astrologist communicating with the spirit of an immunologist, perhaps? I don't know. Surprise me.
As far as actual evidence for immunization:
https://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/
https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/Documents/vaccinestudies.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17471032
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...ionid=3B08648D3E21F9243EA3C26DD585D1D9.d03t03
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16989271
The second document contains troves of links to other research than spans the entire field.
Damn! I tried to tell my mom, but, no....... she was always making me brush the teeth.
TheSilencer1313
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So?
Well sweet!
If you like throwing man-made chemicals on your teeth, and slamming it down you and your kids throats through the water supply..... then by all means ;-)
Oh yeah, and Mr. Media Relations on your last post can say whatever he wants.
Hitler described these exact methods of mind control in the books he wrote.
So I suppose you can believe some historical geek that thinks his **** don't stink, or I suppose you can believe the guy that actually did it.
Like I said..... by all means.
Oh noes! Only throw man-made chemicals in your hair, clothes, cleaning products, every part of your house, every part of your furniture, all your electronics that you use all day, and every other aspect of your life. But not your teeth! Didn't you hear what someone told you about Hitler!!
I don't think I've ever seen such lack of critical thinking in a functional human being. You should check if your frontal lobes are all there. But then again, that'd involve dangerous man-made photons. And we know what Stalin said about these!
https://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/20...-children-suffer-from-vaccine-exemptions?lite
So did sanitation practices just take a horrible downturn? It is interesting how the incidence of such diseases increasing coincides with the anti-vaccine movement.
So did sanitation practices just take a horrible downturn? It is interesting how the incidence of such diseases increasing coincides with the anti-vaccine movement.
Perhaps they're not following the procedures outlined on that website Catchall used to educate me? Are they doing enough Soul Retrievals? Are they sure their shamans are in tune with the planets? This is a complex issue that you shouldn't take lightly!
jimmy eat jazz
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I might be going out on a limb here, but I don't think that he meant that literally. I believe the word for it is 'hyperbole.'
Your understanding of liberal ideology is extraordinary--extraordinarily uninformed that is.
green
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Fluoride has eradicated more disease than anything ever...but whatever.
It's funny. The people that shy away from Fl the most have the most decay when they come to see me. Good for them and good for me. The more you avoid fluoride, the more money I make.
It's a blog post written by an astronomer. There a significant and growing history of diseases like whooping cough, measles, etc. resurging in unvaccinated children in the USA, though.
1) African monkeys can't interbred with monkeys on other continents. They are entirely African, nor not at all Aftican.
2) Vaccines are made from germs grown in a sterile environment. Monkeys are not sterile.
No, I don't think you're kidding. You're just grossly misinformed. Google is not your friend, it's your con man, and you are the mark who thinks they have a friend.
TB? Tuberculosis? There is no such shot.
So is water.
Why is it relevant that Hitler did some stupid thing?
Vaccination is obviously relevant. Smallpox was eliminated through vaccination in even the least sanitary countries/conditions; my kids were not required to get that vaccine (I was). Measles is making a comback in the USA/GB despite the comcparitively superior sanitary conditions. That's because smallpox and measles are caused by germs, and fought by vaccinations.
Not a leap, more like a babystep.
They still have to catch it from someone. The measles outbreaks occured in pockets, just like whooping cough.
We know what diseases are caused by radiation, and at what levels. We also know what causes whooping cough, and what prevents it.
TheSilencer1313
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For one thing.... nobody KNOWS what causes anything.
It's always scientific and medical theory, and those so-called "scientific facts" change over the years.
Don't be surprised that in 30 years from now, everything you said will have a totally different stance according to the AMA.
Oh by the way, here's a study Harvard did on flouride.
https://www.emaxhealth.com/1275/fluoride-and-your-childs-brain-dangerous-combination
It's always scientific and medical theory, and those so-called "scientific facts" change over the years.
Don't be surprised that in 30 years from now, everything you said will have a totally different stance according to the AMA.
Oh by the way, here's a study Harvard did on flouride.
https://www.emaxhealth.com/1275/fluoride-and-your-childs-brain-dangerous-combination
TheSilencer1313
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Haha.... water isn't a "chemical" leftover from from metal smelting processes.
And how is Hitler relevant here?
Even Hitler knew in the 30's that flouride dumbed down people into being more submissive.
Which is exactly what has happened in this time and age.
People are submissive, and do exactly what the government tells them, which is exactly the way they like it.
And how is Hitler relevant here?
Even Hitler knew in the 30's that flouride dumbed down people into being more submissive.
Which is exactly what has happened in this time and age.
People are submissive, and do exactly what the government tells them, which is exactly the way they like it.