AntiAusterity reigns in European politics

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KOC who are you even fighting with? You keep hammering republicans but I do not see anyone defending them.


Here is what I see:

KOC: Bash repubs...
Anyone else: Yeah the rebus suck and so do the dems...
KOC: Bash repubs...
Anyone else: yea they do and so do the dems...
KOC: ...

Get the idea? So yes point taken the republicans suck. No contest. Just come to terms with the dems sucking just as hard.

Yet, do they...what agendas are they pushing that are ruining the country???

I know that some of them aren't really out for the common good. But, look at the bills they are pushing they are trying to dig us out of this hole we are in.

So, you think that the Libertarian way of not regulating business is going to help us? We have seen how regulations don't scare business men so we eliminate them and they are going to play nice? What we need is justice. We need the people to rise up and say enough is enough. But, the blind sheep fulness on the right is ruining the ability for the middle class to get a share of the pie.

I don't think that Dems have the answer but I will tell you one thing getting rid of regulations is going to ruin this fragile country.

 

[trigg3r]

Yet, do they...what agendas are they pushing that are ruining the country???

I know that some of them aren't really out for the common good. But, look at the bills they are pushing they are trying to dig us out of this hole we are in.

So, you think that the Libertarian way of not regulating business is going to help us? We have seen how regulations don't scare business men so we eliminate them and they are going to play nice? What we need is justice. We need the people to rise up and say enough is enough. But, the blind sheep fulness on the right is ruining the ability for the middle class to get a share of the pie.

I don't think that Dems have the answer but I will tell you one thing getting rid of regulations is going to ruin this fragile country.

Here is where I think you aren't quite getting it. I think most of the opposing view would argue on a case by case basis for this and that regulation. I personally believe some regulations are very necessary, yet others go way too far and are politically motivated. I guess my point is that while I disagree with you on about everything, I have a good idea where you stand. You on the other hand are misstating my point of view and that of the majority of conservatives.

 

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Here is where I think you aren't quite getting it. I think most of the opposing view would argue on a case by case basis for this and that regulation. I personally believe some regulations are very necessary, yet others go way too far and are politically motivated. I guess my point is that while I disagree with you on about everything, I have a good idea where you stand. You on the other hand are misstating my point of view and that of the majority of conservatives.

Let me hear it then. Because I'm listening to the leaders of your party everyday and I can't believe my ears. What is your take. Go I will listen if you will allow me to counter argue.

 

[trigg3r]

Let me hear it then. Because I'm listening to the leaders of your party everyday and I can't believe my ears. What is your take. Go I will listen if you will allow me to counter argue.

Who are the leaders of my party? I have already told you my position. I think some regulations are very necessary, while others are politically motivated and do nothing more than hurt business and the economy as a whole. We could argue different regulations all night. I am sure that there are many we can agree upon and many we see as overbearing, outdated, or for that matter ridiculous.

 

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Who are the leaders of my party? I have already told you my position. I think some regulations are very necessary, while others are politically motivated and do nothing more than hurt business and the economy as a whole. We could argue different regulations all night. I am sure that there are many we can agree upon and many we see as overbearing, outdated, or for that matter ridiculous.

Ok not your party but conservative leadership preach deregulation and oppose taxing the uber rich. Ok than I'm not arguing that there are some major problems with regulation. I think it is due to one side wanting regulation and the other side completely opposing regulation. You can't serve two masters. Go on than what part of my views are so absurd?

 

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Ok not your party but conservative leadership preach deregulation and oppose taxing the uber rich. Ok than I'm not arguing that there are some major problems with regulation. I think it is due to one side wanting regulation and the other side completely opposing regulation. You can't serve two masters. Go on than what part of my views are so absurd?

I was watching Hell on Wheels a couple months ago and all I could think was that had there been the regulation back then that there is now the trans-continental railroad would have never been built. The US would be perpetually mired in the late 1800's because of some wetland or field mouse.

 

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KOC here are soem examples that are representative of the problem:

New York: https://www.libertariannews.org/2012/02/24/i-tried-to-open-a-lemonade-stand/
Are you kidding me? If me kid (if I lived in New York) would have to do all that to open a lemonade stand? What a freaking joke. Pathetic.

Massachusets: In the state of Massachusetts, all children in daycare centers are mandated by state law to brush their teeth after lunch. In fact, the state even provides the fluoride toothpaste for the children.
Mandated? I think it is a good idea to teach them that but they are forced to do it. Idiocy

Philly: Philadelphia now requires all bloggers to purchase a $300 business privilege license
I have to pay money to blog? Idiocy

Lake Elmo, Minny:
Lake Elmo, Minnesota farmers can be fined $1,000 and put in jail for 90 days for selling pumpkins or Christmas trees that are grown outside city limits.
Are you freaking kidding me.


Now I can assure you KOC that all these are not passed by just repub. Dems ar enot the great saviors you want them to be. No matter how much you may disagree I firmly believe I have the right to go and do what I want (within reason). I do not want to brush my teeth after lunch? Ok I wont. I want to sell a pumpkin that I grew out on my farm? OK I will...

If you want further proof look to how hard and fast Cali. is falling. A dem stronghold for decades.

 

[franklin]

Yet, do they...what agendas are they pushing that are ruining the country???

Creating a welfare class, an elite class, and nothing in the middle, then attacking the elite class to pay for the welfare class. Pretty basic stuff you might have already considered if you weren't Ed Shultz' bitch.

Here is where I think you aren't quite getting it. I think most of the opposing view would argue on a case by case basis for this and that regulation. I personally believe some regulations are very necessary, yet others go way too far and are politically motivated. I guess my point is that while I disagree with you on about everything, I have a good idea where you stand. You on the other hand are misstating my point of view and that of the majority of conservatives.

The trouble is most regulations are written by the industry they are meant to regulate because corporation x,y, or z wants a monopoly over the competition. Or they want 30,000,000 Americans to be forced into buying their product under Obamacare.

I was watching Hell on Wheels a couple months ago and all I could think was that had there been the regulation back then that there is now the trans-continental railroad would have never been built. The US would be perpetually mired in the late 1800's because of some wetland or field mouse.

The construction aspect is most publicized but the real issues run much deeper. The problem with how the EPA was set up is they are required to revisit the rules periodically. The result is bureaucratically dictated, ever tightening stipulations that act as a noose. There is no set point when we say ENOUGH! we cleaned it up.

I realize it's outlandish to suggest the EPA with it's thousands of pages of regulations has actually gotten the results it set out to do--crazy right?--but we have come a long way in cleaning up messes from those previously unregulated polluters. However, it will never be enough for the special interest groups like Doctors for Clean Air or Living Rivers who will never be satisfied until society is forced back into the "pristine" stone ages where environmentalism is a luxury that can't be afforded.

If you want to blame jobs going to Mexico you can look right past NAFTA, republicans, and corporations and into EPA.

 

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KOC here are soem examples that are representative of the problem:

New York: https://www.libertariannews.org/2012/02/24/i-tried-to-open-a-lemonade-stand/
Are you kidding me? If me kid (if I lived in New York) would have to do all that to open a lemonade stand? What a freaking joke. Pathetic.

Massachusets: In the state of Massachusetts, all children in daycare centers are mandated by state law to brush their teeth after lunch. In fact, the state even provides the fluoride toothpaste for the children.
Mandated? I think it is a good idea to teach them that but they are forced to do it. Idiocy

Philly: Philadelphia now requires all bloggers to purchase a $300 business privilege license
I have to pay money to blog? Idiocy

Lake Elmo, Minny:
Lake Elmo, Minnesota farmers can be fined $1,000 and put in jail for 90 days for selling pumpkins or Christmas trees that are grown outside city limits.
Are you freaking kidding me.


Now I can assure you KOC that all these are not passed by just repub. Dems ar enot the great saviors you want them to be. No matter how much you may disagree I firmly believe I have the right to go and do what I want (within reason). I do not want to brush my teeth after lunch? Ok I wont. I want to sell a pumpkin that I grew out on my farm? OK I will...

If you want further proof look to how hard and fast Cali. is falling. A dem stronghold for decades.

Here's a good article on overzealous regulations killing entrepreneurship. One example is from right here in Salt Lake.

https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advisor/overzealous-license-rules-deter-entrepreneurs-215528670.html

Ironically, in many cases the regulations aren't there to keep the public safe, they are there to quell competition. And that a good thing, correct KOC?

It might seem like there's no reason for an occupation like braiding to have such heavy license requirements. But lawyers and academics who have studied licensing laws say the hurdle is one way to limit or eliminate competition for those already in business. Often, the license, especially one that includes a wide variety of seemingly unrelated skills or services, is sought by a trade or industry group. A license can "create barriers to entry and creates profits for those who are politically well connected," says Steven Lanza, an economist and editor of The Connecticut Economy, a publication of the University of Connecticut.

 

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Here's a good article on overzealous regulations killing entrepreneurship. One example is from right here in Salt Lake.

https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advisor/overzealous-license-rules-deter-entrepreneurs-215528670.html

I see it as much deeper than that. I see it as endangering the American way of life.

 

[Scat]

I see it as much deeper than that. I see it as endangering the American way of life.

Agreed.

 

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I would contend that corporations and the upper class are pushing out the middle class. I know you think you are smarter than most of these pundits but it is hard when they sit infront of you and put out facts about the lack of change in wages over the years and then you call them idiots. There needs to be a safety next and by the way we are in a recession. So, it would make it look like the safety next is being over used. I have never thank heaven had to use any of these systems. What is your stance on these systems. If you lost your job will you Mr. Perfect rely on government assistance till you can get on your feet. Or when you are retired are you going to send your SS checks back and not apply for medicare? There are some who abuse the system but at least there is a system to help or struggling and destitute.