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Any free agents still available that would make a difference now??

franklin said:
If TPE's have a cap hold associated then the Jazz won't be able to sign a free agent and then use the TPE in addition.
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Yeah, that's my concern right now. The fact that it's good for one year is misleading if it counts against the cap. If that's the case, I'm guessing Utah will use it by the deadline to take someone else's unwanted trash and pick up another pick in the process. I doubt they will add salary that doesn't expire this year.

I'm not sure whether that's the case or not. There's some other language that makes me wonder about this.

Also be aware that while the term "Traded Player exception" refers to the entire exception which allows teams to make trades above the salary cap (including simultaneous trades, non-simultaneous trades, and base year compensation), it is also commonly used to refer to the one-year monetary credit teams receive while a non-simultaneous trade is pending completion. Be aware of this potential ambiguity, which was made worse by the current CBA (earlier CBAs used the term "Assigned Player exception" to refer to the entire exception).
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I'm really not sure what to think about this right now.
 
In my opinion, our current collection of players is perfect. Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter as the young guys to get plenty of minutes at the 2-5. Bell, Miles, Howard, Millsap, Jefferson as the vets to get many minutes at the 2-5. A trio of point guards. Evans to get some spot minutes. I say save the money, develop our young guys, see what we have in our vets, and perhaps make a trade down the line. Signing another "quality" guy right now would just eat up some solid minutes for a couple of current guys on the roster and that wouldn't be the wise move in my opinion as it's not going to be a big upgrade or put us over the top or anything, and instead it would eat up time these guys need to like I said, let them develop or see what we have.
 
I'm hoping they can make a similar kind of move that they did with the Boozer sign and trade last summer that brought Al Jefferson here.

Using that TPE for anything else would be worthless in my opinion.
 
JAZZGASM said:
The Memo trade put the Jazz under the salary cap...
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No it didn't. Exceptions of all types are called that because they are exceptions to the rule that teams must stay below the salary cap. Any exceptions that a team has - such as the mid-level, Bird rights, and trade exceptions - are added to actual salary to determine whether or not a team is over the cap. If this total is less than the salary cap, the exceptions all go away (the fact we got a TPE for Memo is proof we are over the cap), and the team has cap room to sign free agents or to take traded players in without sending back salary. If not, the team is over the cap and can't sign free agents without using one of their exceptions. Since we already used one of these exceptions to sign Josh Howard, we can only sign our own FAs (using the Bird Rights exception), or sign players to minimum salary (another exception).
 
Mantis said:
No it didn't. Exceptions of all types are called that because they are exceptions to the rule that teams must stay below the salary cap. Any exceptions that a team has - such as the mid-level, Bird rights, and trade exceptions - are added to actual salary to determine whether or not a team is over the cap. If this total is less than the salary cap, the exceptions all go away (the fact we got a TPE for Memo is proof we are over the cap), and the team has cap room to sign free agents or to take traded players in without sending back salary. If not, the team is over the cap and can't sign free agents without using one of their exceptions. Since we already used one of these exceptions to sign Josh Howard, we can only sign our own FAs (using the Bird Rights exception), or sign players to minimum salary (another exception).
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Thanks for helping clear that up.

So that means holding on to it until next season would defeat the purpose. That's good news for impatient Jazz fans who want to see something happen sooner rather than later. I'm still betting Utah will use this to take on an unwanted player, and in the process pick up another asset.
 
freakazoid said:
So that means holding on to it until next season would defeat the purpose. That's good news for impatient Jazz fans who want to see something happen sooner rather than later. I'm still betting Utah will use this to take on an unwanted player, and in the process pick up another asset.
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I'm not so sure they'll be any better off waiting for free agency. Hoops Hype has them at $48.2mm this offseason, without CJ's cap hold, which I believe will be more than his current salary. 125% or 150% comes to mind but I'm not sure the exact amount. Jeremy Evans is excluded, so add a million and a half or so depending on the season. Earl Watson's 2nd year is not included and I believe they'll have rights to Josh Howard as well. Even if they renounce every one of these (except Watson), they'll only have, what, roughly $10mm to sign free agents with?

The TPE is $10,890,000 + 100,000, so let's call it $11mm. Adding trade flexibility probably makes it a skosh more useful than free agency.
 
franklin said:
I'm not so sure they'll be any better off waiting for free agency. Hoops Hype has them at $48.2mm this offseason, without CJ's cap hold, which I believe will be more than his current salary. 125% or 150% comes to mind but I'm not sure the exact amount. Jeremy Evans is excluded, so add a million and a half or so depending on the season. Earl Watson's 2nd year is not included and I believe they'll have rights to Josh Howard as well. Even if they renounce every one of these (except Watson), they'll only have, what, roughly $10mm to sign free agents with?

The TPE is $10,890,000 + 100,000, so let's call it $11mm. Adding trade flexibility probably makes it a skosh more useful than free agency.
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Hoopshype shows what Millsap makes this year, not his actual cap hit. Since the contract was front loaded, they took the salary he would have been earning this year and paid it up from. His cap hit is roughly 8.6 million, and Hoopsype only has him at 7.2 million, so you need to add 1.4 million to hoophype's figure, so 49.6 million. Have to add whatever Watson will be making, as well. Cap will be, what, 60 million or so?

Can't find any info on what Watson will be getting. Only number I saw for Howard wat 1yr/3M.
 
franklin said:
I'm not so sure they'll be any better off waiting for free agency. Hoops Hype has them at $48.2mm this offseason, without CJ's cap hold, which I believe will be more than his current salary. 125% or 150% comes to mind but I'm not sure the exact amount. Jeremy Evans is excluded, so add a million and a half or so depending on the season. Earl Watson's 2nd year is not included and I believe they'll have rights to Josh Howard as well. Even if they renounce every one of these (except Watson), they'll only have, what, roughly $10mm to sign free agents with?

The TPE is $10,890,000 + 100,000, so let's call it $11mm. Adding trade flexibility probably makes it a skosh more useful than free agency.
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To be honest, I've been anticipating a move with Al to clear some more capspace. Obviously that's not a given, but I think it's a bigger possibilty than a lot of fans want to believe. So yeah, I was leaving that out. If Utah keeps Al, then you're right, they're not going to have much for capspace anyway. Even if they renounce CJ, Howard and Evans, they'll likely add 1 or 2 rookies.

So I guess what I meant, is that keeping the TPE until next season would pretty much negate moving Al to gain capspace.
 
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freakazoid said:
To be honest, I've been anticipating a move with Al to clear some more capspace. Obviously that's not a given, but I think it's a bigger possibilty than a lot of fans want to believe. So yeah, I was leaving that out. If Utah keeps Al, then you're right, they're not going to have much for capspace anyway. Even if they renounce CJ, Howard and Evans, they'll likely add 1 or 2 rookies.

So I guess what I meant, is that keeping the TPE until next season would pretty much negate moving Al to gain capspace.

So, I guess I'm 50/50 on what Utah is going to do from this point. They could use the TPE to gain an asset/s this season and move Al, or they could keep Al and maybe the greater value of the TPE will be putting ourselves in a position to facilitate a 3 team trade in the offseason.

I'm really not quite sure what KOC has up his sleeve at this point.
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If I was KOC, I would want to see what Big Al was made of this season.
If he has indeed made strides in defensive prowess, and offensive eyes of the court.... then keep him.
If the offense continues to turn in black hole when he gets the ball in the post, and players continue scoring on him as easy as they did last year.... a trade will probably be in the works using that TPE.
 
I can't find anything saying TPE's have a cap hold. If that's the case then Jazz should wait until after free agency to use this. Can anyone think of a similar situation that we can use as a reference?
 
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