Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

[KqWIN]

Locke kinda went off the end of his pod. It does not sound at all like Rudy is asking for supermax. My guess is it gets done this weekend now that Ryan had his official announcement... will be his “first move”. I’m going to be hopeful and just say it’s the regular max.

My initial projection before everything was that Rudy was more likely to get below the normal max than the super max itself. I've been getting skiddish and raising my projection of what the deal may end landing on...but maybe I should have listened to my gut. This just shows how poor my negotiation skills are lol.

But yeah, the Porter Larsen "report" seemed fishy from the start. How does the Utah Utes football guy know more than all the local reporters? And now national reporters who are assigned to the Jazz directly refute that....hard to believe. Good for Porter I guess. Got all the news aggregators to make a story out of his tweet.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My initial projection before everything was that Rudy was more likely to get below the normal max than the super max itself. I've been getting skiddish and raising my projection of what the deal may end landing on...but maybe I should have listened to my gut. This just shows how poor my negotiation skills are lol.

But yeah, the Porter Larsen "report" seemed fishy from the start. How does the Utah Utes football guy know more than all the local reporters? And now national reporters who are assigned to the Jazz directly refute that....hard to believe. Good for Porter I guess. Got all the news aggregators to make a story out of his tweet.

I don't know what these negotiations are like... its one thing I'd love to be a fly on the wall for.

As a body language doctor I think the on court stuff with DM and Rudy has been much better. DM is looking for him early and often...Rudy seems to be back to his normal defensive effort and impact. The interactions between the two seem really positive.

I do think he wants to be here... I've always been given the impression he want to earn a title here and that he respects the belief the Jazz have in him as a player. I think the all star stuff got in both DM and Rudy's heads. I think it was a contract year (kind of) for both. I think if they are both paid and respected that stuff smooths over. The virus bringing it all to the surface may have been a good thing instead of a long term simmer they had a fist fight and got over it.

 

[KqWIN]

I don't know what these negotiations are like... its one thing I'd love to be a fly on the wall for.

As a body language doctor I think the on court stuff with DM and Rudy has been much better. DM is looking for him early and often...Rudy seems to be back to his normal defensive effort and impact. The interactions between the two seem really positive.

I do think he wants to be here... I've always been given the impression he want to earn a title here and that he respects the belief the Jazz have in him as a player. I think the all star stuff got in both DM and Rudy's heads. I think it was a contract year (kind of) for both. I think if they are both paid and respected that stuff smooths over. The virus bringing it all to the surface may have been a good thing instead of a long term simmer they had a fist fight and got over it.

I don't think there's really much to talk about as far as potential Rudy-Mitchell belief. It was overblown and the covid thing put a microscope on the situation. Really I think they were more upset about touches than anything. They're fine, it's a professional relationship which is how most relationships in the NBA are.

If we've established that Rudy is not demanding a supermax, this sounds like the initial Hayward negotiation. The player isn't asking for the full boat, but he maybe should get it anyways. There isn't a cap boom incoming like there was with Hayward, but the difference between what the Jazz think is fair and Rudy thinks is fair is probably not big enough that it should prevent the deal. If Rudy wants 5/195 and the Jazz want 5/175 for example....that's such a small difference over the years that I think the Jazz should just give it to him.

The Jazz shouldn't lose Rudy over a couple million a year....but this FO did lose Hayward over that.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think there's really much to talk about as far as potential Rudy-Mitchell belief. It was overblown and the covid thing put a microscope on the situation. Really I think they were more upset about touches than anything. They're fine, it's a professional relationship which is how most relationships in the NBA are.

If we've established that Rudy is not demanding a supermax, this sounds like the initial Hayward negotiation. The player isn't asking for the full boat, but he maybe should get it anyways. There isn't a cap boom incoming like there was with Hayward, but the difference between what the Jazz think is fair and Rudy thinks is fair is probably not big enough that it should prevent the deal. If Rudy wants 5/195 and the Jazz want 5/175 for example....that's such a small difference over the years that I think the Jazz should just give it to him.

The Jazz shouldn't lose Rudy over a couple million a year....but this FO did lose Hayward over that.

I was actually on to the Rudy DM stuff early last year. Their interactions were pretty confrontational on court... a lot of times it was DM and he generally just much more positive in his interactions with others. I would also see Rudy open and them shoot a floater and he'd kinda do the hang your head thing. DM throwing some passes even when they aren't there I think engages Rudy a bit.

 

[LoPo]

I don't know what these negotiations are like... its one thing I'd love to be a fly on the wall for.

As a body language doctor I think the on court stuff with DM and Rudy has been much better. DM is looking for him early and often...Rudy seems to be back to his normal defensive effort and impact. The interactions between the two seem really positive.

I do think he wants to be here... I've always been given the impression he want to earn a title here and that he respects the belief the Jazz have in him as a player. I think the all star stuff got in both DM and Rudy's heads. I think it was a contract year (kind of) for both. I think if they are both paid and respected that stuff smooths over. The virus bringing it all to the surface may have been a good thing instead of a long term simmer they had a fist fight and got over it.

I think Donovan getting moved to the primary ball handler spot solved a lot of issues. We were force feeding Rubio and then Conley while expecting Don to just catch fire when the offense stagnated. Don had to create and then that would sometimes mean Rudy didn't get the ball enough.

Now, we just take a step out of the process and let Don run the PNR with Rudy. When we need chance creation, we have Clarkson for that.

 

[KqWIN]

I was actually on to the Rudy DM stuff early last year. Their interactions were pretty confrontational on court... a lot of times it was DM and he generally just much more positive in his interactions with others. I would also see Rudy open and them shoot a floater and he'd kinda do the hang your head thing. DM throwing some passes even when they aren't there I think engages Rudy a bit.

The on the court stuff was very real IMO. There were a lot of players who acted and played selfishly last season, Gobert and Mitchell were both guilty and that was the heart of their issues. But the general public/media think the conflict centers around covid, and I think that part of beef was way overblown. I agree that the on court partnership is looking better, and maybe Quin is trying to avoid some of that anyways by staggering Gobert.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Donovan getting moved to the primary ball handler spot solved a lot of issues. We were force feeding Rubio and then Conley while expecting Don to just catch fire when the offense stagnated. Don had to create and then that would sometimes mean Rudy didn't get the ball enough.

Now, we just take a step out of the process and let Don run the PNR with Rudy. When we need chance creation, we have Clarkson for that.

I agree here... gives DM his touches early too so he can still get his shots while also creating. Should simplify Conley's role (just ****ing shoot) and he seems to be doing well there. DM is also better in the pick and roll than Mike so putting him on ball more makes sense.

I think DM being dynamic off the dribble and Rudy rolling hard is what is creating all these open threes. The paint is packed when they do it and we keep getting open looks. I think we finally realized that trading all those mid rangers and floaters for threes is like a ****ing super power.

A word of caution... we won't get as many free throws and there will be nights we go 10/38 and it looks like ****.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The on the court stuff was very real IMO. There were a lot of players who acted and played selfishly last season, Gobert and Mitchell were both guilty and that was the heart of their issues. But the general public/media think the conflict centers around covid, and I think that part of beef was way overblown. I agree that the on court partnership is looking better, and maybe Quin is trying to avoid some of that anyways by staggering Gobert.

Agree... I think the Covid thing was the straw that broke the camels back and made the struggle public to non-jazz fans that had kinda been reading the tea leaves. In a way it is good... like having the actual fight with your wife instead of being passive aggressive for months.

We will see... only pre-season and not super stressful yet. It looks better though.

 

[KqWIN]

I agree here... gives DM his touches early too so he can still get his shots while also creating. Should simplify Conley's role (just ****ing shoot) and he seems to be doing well there. DM is also better in the pick and roll than Mike so putting him on ball more makes sense.

I think DM being dynamic off the dribble and Rudy rolling hard is what is creating all these open threes. The paint is packed when they do it and we keep getting open looks. I think we finally realized that trading all those mid rangers and floaters for threes is like a ****ing super power.

A word of caution... we won't get as many free throws and there will be nights we go 10/38 and it looks like ****.

I also have concerns about not getting to the line and ignoring Rudy too much on the roll. He hasn't gotten many FGA, but PHX and LAC were very committed to taking out Rudy first so passing it out for a 3 isn't a bad option. Wayyyy better than floaters. The quick trigger on the 3 will also help us limit turnovers which has been a huge problem for us. The best way to prevent a turnover is to shoot the the ball, Trey Burke sends his regards...

With Mitchell in particular, I would like to see him go all the way and attack the big. The floater is a low percentage shot, but it's double bad because it allows the big to stay in position to box out Rudy. I would rather have Mitchell go all the way to the rim and throw up some garbage/try to draw a foul because it at least makes the big contest and gives Rudy a good chance at the offensive rebound. We've seen this happen to us so many times when Rudy contests but nobody is there to box out his man. This can be another way to get Rudy some more shots.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Kevin Love makes $30 and people hate his contract. Chris Paul at $44 is an issue with most.

Sorry if I want to prepare for the worst. I'm a hopeful person, but I'm also cautious.

Re-signing to just trade him if things go south is too risky. He's not a PG or wing who can carve out a role. At 32 or 33, he might be unplayable come playoff time.

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Kevin Love and Chris Paul is your comparison? The Chris Paul that just got the Thunder multiple first round picks in a trade?

We plain and simple aren’t going to get a better player than Rudy anytime soon. If he and Conley walk we will literally have 15M in cap space.

We trade Rudy and we’re looking at 50 cents on the dollar if we’re lucky. He’s an expiring contract with no guarantee of him re-signing. The Spurs got DeRozan and Poeltl for Kawhi in the same exact situation.

Just pay him and if it is an overpay then so be it. Our best shot at a title currently is right now and the next 2-3 years with Don and Rudy.

 

[LoPo]

Kevin Love and Chris Paul is your comparison? The Chris Paul that just got the Thunder multiple first round picks in a trade?

We plain and simple aren’t going to get a better player than Rudy anytime soon. If he and Conley walk we will literally have 15M in cap space.

We trade Rudy and we’re looking at 50 cents on the dollar if we’re lucky. He’s an expiring contract with no guarantee of him re-signing. The Spurs got DeRozan and Poeltl for Kawhi in the same exact situation.

Just pay him and if it is an overpay then so be it. Our best shot at a title currently is right now and the next 2-3 years with Don and Rudy.

We can rationalize, even me, giving him a big contract because we are better with him the next couple years. Still doesn't mean that years 4 and 5 of the contract are worth it.

We better be contenders is all I'm saying. Rudy at 32 and 33 making $40+ might be very, very bad.

 

[Elizah Huge]

We can rationalize, even me, giving him a big contract because we are better with him the next couple years. Still doesn't mean that years 4 and 5 of the contract are worth it.

We better be contenders is all I'm saying. Rudy at 32 and 33 making $40+ might be very, very bad.

A lot can happen by that time. No matter what his contract will still be moveable. We can always move off of it.

I don’t know about you but I’d rather have multiple legit shots at a championship over starting a rebuild right now during the same exact time we have Mitchell locked up for 5 years.