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Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

LoPo said:
That is stupid money. No way he is worth that for a majority of that deal. Remember, we have him locked up this year.

Paying him $35+ per year when he is 31, 32 and 33 is too risky.

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I worry that if he doesn't re-sign that it hangs over the team and hurts us this year. it would be tough to trade him for any kind of return. The extension helps guarantee his happiness and gives us a year or two in additional window. I don't expect us to run it back the entire 5-6 years. If Udoka was ready or if we just stagnated you could still move him for a solid return.

Trading him now would not net anything good enough and really ****s up our only realistic championship window. I just don't think DM stays here his whole career and in 4-5 years we will be in full rebuild mode... unless we've just been super duper successful... in which case the extension was worth it.
 
Why don't we just give him 2 years and $85-90 million? Sure its a ton of money, but we lower the risk that comes with a long term deal. Rudy gets paid huge in his prime and can bet on himself to be worth a last big deal in 2023 either here or elsewhere.

By 2023, we can decide to bring Rudy back or move on with other young pieces around Donovan if building around Rudy never pans out for title contention. Gives us a two year window to build around Don.

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LoPo said:
That is stupid money. No way he is worth that for a majority of that deal. Remember, we have him locked up this year.

Paying him $35+ per year when he is 31, 32 and 33 is too risky.

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Also if you did it for 5/165 you could decline the salary and you'd pay him 30M and 26.5M in his 32/33 season... ain't bad.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I worry that if he doesn't re-sign that it hangs over the team and hurts us this year. it would be tough to trade him for any kind of return. The extension helps guarantee his happiness and gives us a year or two in additional window. I don't expect us to run it back the entire 5-6 years. If Udoka was ready or if we just stagnated you could still move him for a solid return.

Trading him now would not net anything good enough and really ****s up our only realistic championship window. I just don't think DM stays here his whole career and in 4-5 years we will be in full rebuild mode... unless we've just been super duper successful... in which case the extension was worth it.
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If we traded him, would the other team have the ability to extend him to a similar deal he wants? If so, couldn't we get a lot for him in a trade?

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LoPo said:
Why don't we just give him 2 years and $85-90 million? Sure its a ton of money, but we lower the risk that comes with a long term deal. Rudy gets paid huge in his prime and can bet on himself to be worth a last big deal in 2023 either here or elsewhere.

By 2023, we can decide to bring Rudy back or move on with other young pieces around Donovan if building around Rudy never pans out for title contention. Gives us a two year window to build around Don.

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Because that deal is not legal. Supermax has to go out 5 years. Two year extension max would be 2 /70M... he'd never go for it.
 
LoPo said:
If we traded him, would the other team have the ability to extend him to a similar deal he wants? If so, couldn't we get a lot for him in a trade?

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What would Dallas or Toronto give you 1 week before the season starts for him? Zinger comes with a lot more risk and they likely try to keep him out of the deal. Toronto ain't putting in Pascal... 1sts and Kyle? Kinda screws up the next year or two no?

They couldn't do the supermax anyway... I think 4/151M is the max they could do.

We basically have 3-5 years with this core if we are lucky... then we need to rebuild. I think DM walks or is traded at some point. Extension now give it a shot and preserves Rudy as a trade asset. Maybe in year 3 we have an opportunity to pivot and provide DM with something that makes him sign and extension... or we move him and start the rebuild early (like OKC) and get lots of assets on the way out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What would Dallas or Toronto give you 1 week before the season starts for him? Zinger comes with a lot more risk and they likely try to keep him out of the deal. Toronto ain't putting in Pascal... 1sts and Kyle? Kinda screws up the next year or two no?

They couldn't do the supermax anyway... I think 4/151M is the max they could do.

We basically have 3-5 years with this core if we are lucky... then we need to rebuild. I think DM walks or is traded at some point. Extension now give it a shot and preserves Rudy as a trade asset. Maybe in year 3 we have an opportunity to pivot and provide DM with something that makes him sign and extension... or we move him and start the rebuild early (like OKC) and get lots of assets on the way out.
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If Don walks, I think its because it doesn't work with Rudy. Come playoff time, Don is more important. In terms of off court financial implications, Don is more important.

I hesitate on a 5 year deal for Gobert because he will be an aging big AND because I'm not sold on the Don/Rudy dynamic long term. We have built the entire franchise around Rudy the last 3 years and we have 1 series win to show for it. And that series was won more by Don's heroics.



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LoPo said:
2 year max for a DPOY and All NBA is still only $35 per year? Seems low

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Supermax require you to go out 5 years... so at a minimum tack on 4 years to his deal. So all you are left with is regular max. Either way he'd say no though. It is more about total dollars than getting a few million more per year.
 
LoPo said:
If Don walks, I think its because it doesn't work with Rudy. Come playoff time, Don is more important. In terms of off court financial implications, Don is more important.

I hesitate on a 5 year deal for Gobert because he will be an aging big AND because I'm not sold on the Don/Rudy dynamic long term. We have built the entire franchise around Rudy the last 3 years and we have 1 series win to show for it. And that series was won more by Don's heroics.



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I'm not convinced the Don Rudy dynamic goes a whole lot further than the second round of the playoffs. My worry is that the Don and whatever we get for Rudy dynamic gets us to the late lottery... makes Don wonder where this is headed... and then he wants out faster.
 
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