Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

[LoPo]

I'm not convinced the Don Rudy dynamic goes a whole lot further than the second round of the playoffs. My worry is that the Don and whatever we get for Rudy dynamic gets us to the late lottery... makes Don wonder where this is headed... and then he wants out faster.

If a Don and Rudy team can only get to the 2nd round maybe.....why are we going to put everything into Rudy knowing it won't work?

I think Don is an extremely rare talent. His accomplishments after three years rival on a few in the history of the game. Why not build around him? Why risk losing him for an exercise in futility?

Sent from my SM-G970U using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If a Don and Rudy team can only get to the 2nd round maybe.....why are we going to put everything into Rudy knowing it won't work?

I think Don is an extremely rare talent. His accomplishments after three years rival on a few in the history of the game. Why not build around him? Why risk losing him for an exercise in futility?

Sent from my SM-G970U using JazzFanz mobile app

Making the WCF is not futility. It puts you an ankle sprain away from winning it all. Don is great... I love him, but numbers are inflated in this era so we need to calm down a hair.

We don't know that keeping Rudy will fail... we also don't know that what we get for him will be better than him on a spendy deal... trading Rudy may very well be the thing that makes DM want to walk. Flat out the next two years I see no reasonable deal that makes us better by trading Rudy. So whatever future assets you got they better ****ing work fast otherwise Don looks around at the roster and realizes this **** won't get us to the promised land.

 

[LoPo]

Making the WCF is not futility. It puts you an ankle sprain away from winning it all. Don is great... I love him, but numbers are inflated in this era so we need to calm down a hair.

We don't know that keeping Rudy will fail... we also don't know that what we get for him will be better than him on a spendy deal... trading Rudy may very well be the thing that makes DM want to walk. Flat out the next two years I see no reasonable deal that makes us better by trading Rudy. So whatever future assets you got they better ****ing work fast otherwise Don looks around at the roster and realizes this **** won't get us to the promised land.

I'm saying if Don and Rudy don't work. There were many reports Rudy was annoying people. This was before the COVID incident. But if Don wants Rudy, then yes continue.

As for discounting Don because of "inflated numbers", that's ********. Don is the first rookie since Wilt to lead his team to a playoff series win. He gets better every year. He had the 3rd best scoring game in playoff history regardless of everybody else having a chance to do better. He hit the most 3s in rookie history.

Don is on a legendary path. He sees the floor like few others.

Maybe everybody should stop worshipping the ground Rudy walks on and embrace Don.

Sent from my SM-G970U using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[KqWIN]

Don is the reason you keep Rudy. You want to win while he's still here right? Without Rudy, we might not even make the playoffs. The only situation in which moving on from Rudy from Donovan is if it's a chemistry thing where he absolutely won't play with him. Unless there's an ultimatum from Don that Rudy must go, why else is moving on from Rudy a move towards Don?

If you want to build around a young star, the last thing you want to do is trade away an All NBA player for peanuts or lose him for nothing. There is nothing logical about that.

 

[NAOS]

What would Dallas or Toronto give you 1 week before the season starts for him? Zinger comes with a lot more risk and they likely try to keep him out of the deal. Toronto ain't putting in Pascal... 1sts and Kyle? Kinda screws up the next year or two no?

They couldn't do the supermax anyway... I think 4/151M is the max they could do.

We basically have 3-5 years with this core if we are lucky... then we need to rebuild. I think DM walks or is traded at some point. Extension now give it a shot and preserves Rudy as a trade asset. Maybe in year 3 we have an opportunity to pivot and provide DM with something that makes him sign and extension... or we move him and start the rebuild early (like OKC) and get lots of assets on the way out.

Pretty much this.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm saying if Don and Rudy don't work. There were many reports Rudy was annoying people. This was before the COVID incident. But if Don wants Rudy, then yes continue.

As for discounting Don because of "inflated numbers", that's ********. Don is the first rookie since Wilt to lead his team to a playoff series win. He gets better every year. He had the 3rd best scoring game in playoff history regardless of everybody else having a chance to do better. He hit the most 3s in rookie history.

Don is on a legendary path. He sees the floor like few others.

Maybe everybody should stop worshipping the ground Rudy walks on and embrace Don.

Sent from my SM-G970U using JazzFanz mobile app

Wait you compared Don to Wilt and said he's on a legendary path and sees the floor like few others... but we are the ones worshipping the ground a player walks on?

Don is great... love him. All of the numbers from this era are inflated... its not ********... its a fact. I mean Trae Young went 30 and 10 last year and he's two years younger than Don... is he on a legendary path as well? Not saying Don is empty calories but a little chill is required... I'd say the same thing if you compared Rudy to Bill Russell.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Don is the reason you keep Rudy. You want to win while he's still here right? Without Rudy, we might not even make the playoffs. The only situation in which moving on from Rudy from Donovan is if it's a chemistry thing where he absolutely won't play with him. Unless there's an ultimatum from Don that Rudy must go, why else is moving on from Rudy a move towards Don?

If you want to build around a young star, the last thing you want to do is trade away an All NBA player for peanuts or lose him for nothing. There is nothing logical about that.

Even if we got 4 quarters for that dollar you still are worse the next two to three years... then you better hope one of the picks you got is a homerun otherwise Don is basically a year away from unrestricted FA.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

this thread contains so much stupid

 

[LoPo]

Don is the reason you keep Rudy. You want to win while he's still here right? Without Rudy, we might not even make the playoffs. The only situation in which moving on from Rudy from Donovan is if it's a chemistry thing where he absolutely won't play with him. Unless there's an ultimatum from Don that Rudy must go, why else is moving on from Rudy a move towards Don?

If you want to build around a young star, the last thing you want to do is trade away an All NBA player for peanuts or lose him for nothing. There is nothing logical about that.

I agree with all of that. I'm not saying dump Rudy for peanuts. I'm saying don't overpay him if Don and Rudy aren't 100% joined. Giving Rudy the next 6 years at an astronomical number is extremely risky.

Much like the dire fear so many had of losing Hayward. Our team was doomed supposedly.

I think we can build a title contender around Don.



Sent from my SM-G970U using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[LoPo]

Wait you compared Don to Wilt and said he's on a legendary path and sees the floor like few others... but we are the ones worshipping the ground a player walks on?

Don is great... love him. All of the numbers from this era are inflated... its not ********... its a fact. I mean Trae Young went 30 and 10 last year and he's two years younger than Don... is he on a legendary path as well? Not saying Don is empty calories but a little chill is required... I'd say the same thing if you compared Rudy to Bill Russell.

Don't be a dumbass. I didn't compare Don to Wilt. I said they shared an accomplishment nobody shared in the 50+ years between.

It's not all about numbers. Its about leadership. Don has it like few others. While Rudy is pouting and throwing temper tantrums, Don is carrying us. Like the 3rd quarter of Game 7 when we were on the ropes.

Sent from my SM-G970U using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree with all of that. I'm not saying dump Rudy for peanuts. I'm saying don't overpay him if Don and Rudy aren't 100% joined. Giving Rudy the next 6 years at an astronomical number is extremely risky.

Much like the dire fear so many had of losing Hayward. Our team was doomed supposedly.

I think we can build a title contender around Don.



Sent from my SM-G970U using JazzFanz mobile app

So we just need to wait an let him walk... then make another late first round pick that becomes a legend... how about this... we make that pick and add it to Rudy and Don. Deal?

 

[LoPo]

Even if we got 4 quarters for that dollar you still are worse the next two to three years... then you better hope one of the picks you got is a homerun otherwise Don is basically a year away from unrestricted FA.

Just like with Hayward - how do we know we will struggle so much without Rudy if we change how we are organized? Why is it such a certainty that we suck without Rudy?

Sent from my SM-G970U using JazzFanz mobile app