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Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

LoPo said:
Don't be a dumbass. I didn't compare Don to Wilt. I said they shared an accomplishment nobody shared in the 50+ years between.

It's not all about numbers. Its about leadership. Don has it like few others. While Rudy is pouting and throwing temper tantrums, Don is carrying us. Like the 3rd quarter of Game 7 when we were on the ropes.

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Okay they share an accomplishment... many players do. He's great but if his leadership is so great what happened in the 4th quarter... why did he get out leadershipped by Jamal Murray? Is he a legend too?

I love the kid... he's awesome.. he could be amazing. We may want to chill when comparing his numbers to all time greats and projecting it out. I mean Devin Booker had a lower usage and higher scoring and assist numbers... he was also more efficient. There is a chance that building around Don without Rudy could look a lot like Phoenix.

They are both all star level players and pumping one up doesn't have to come at the expense of the other. If we need to save a few million dollars to pay Rudy more I suggest we do it by cutting costs elsewhere.
 
LoPo said:
Just like with Hayward - how do we know we will struggle so much without Rudy if we change how we are organized? Why is it such a certainty that we suck without Rudy?

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Partly because Rudy is better than Hayward was... partly because we got ****ing lucky and getting ****ing lucky is not a strategy to bank on.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Okay they share an accomplishment... many players do. He's great but if his leadership is so great what happened in the 4th quarter... why did he get out leadershipped by Jamal Murray? Is he a legend too?

I love the kid... he's awesome.. he could be amazing. We may want to chill when comparing his numbers to all time greats and projecting it out. I mean Devin Booker had a lower usage and higher scoring and assist numbers... he was also more efficient. There is a chance that building around Don without Rudy could look a lot like Phoenix.

They are both all star level players and pumping one up doesn't have to come at the expense of the other. If we need to save a few million dollars to pay Rudy more I suggest we do it by cutting costs elsewhere.
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Now you're just being an idiot. You're better than this. You want to win the argument so badly you'll say anything.

Don led us to a series win as a rookie. Fact.

Murray's team outplayed ours. Supporting cast was better. Murray's job was easy because we lacked the depth due to the stupid Conley deal. Jokic outplayed Rudy all over.

If you didn't see something special out of Don vs Denver, he should leave. He was a superstar. Murray had superstar moments. Rudy was a bystander for greatness. He was on Don's coattails.



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LoPo said:
Just like with Hayward - how do we know we will struggle so much without Rudy if we change how we are organized? Why is it such a certainty that we suck without Rudy?

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Before Rudy, our “rebuild” was built on the core of Hayward, Burks, Favors, and Kanter. Rudy forced a new rebuild by literally pushing Kanter out of the way and changing our entire identity to defense first. Hayward never had the impact on our success that Rudy has and we’d still be constantly rebuilding if we hadn’t pivoted for Rudy.
 
Even though we recovered with Donovan, losing Hayward was devastating because we ruined our chance to have all 3. Two all stars locked in with another on his rookie deal is as good as it gets for us.

If Rudy leaves and we manage to get another star, same thing. We squandered the opportunity to have them all together.

It would suck to overpay Rudy, but without him you’re relying on a low chance move to break even. If you hit on that move, that’s when you really want the all nba guy you let go.
 
KqWIN said:
Even though we recovered with Donovan, losing Hayward was devastating because we ruined our chance to have all 3. Two all stars locked in with another on his rookie deal is as good as it gets for us.

If Rudy leaves and we manage to get another star, same thing. We squandered the opportunity to have them all together.

It would suck to overpay Rudy, but without him you’re relying on a low chance move to break even. If you hit on that move, that’s when you really want the all nba guy you let go.
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You can blame Hayward. That sucked. Bojan was a decent recovery, though. You can blame pushing all-in with Conley. That’s the most glaring part of the saga at this point, for me. He was supposed to elevate us a to the top tier.... I mean, they KNEW it would take us out of the running for acquiring major talent via trade for the remainder of Don’s rookie deal.... It really strapped us and has left us short of the upper tier. They’re running out of time to recover.
 
LoPo said:
I have never said that. You know this but keep staying idiotic stuff.

Set the wine cooler down and read:

I want Rudy back at a fair number but we cannot overpay or lose him for nothing. I have been saying that since last year.

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Oh my bad... you’d like to get a Mercedes but pay for a Honda.

Don’t call me an idiot man. You can disagree but I never said DM wasn’t great. It isn’t idiotic to say paying for a guy is worse than letting him walk. Even if the difference is 7-8M a year it isn’t idiotic... if he gets hurt it’s a bad deal either way... 30, 35, 40m a year... it all sucks if he gets hurt or falls off a cliff. He walks for nothing I’m just gonna bet we don’t end up pulling the best player out of the draft in the same offseason and the retool is seamless.
 
The only player in the league deserving of a "Supermax" in my opinion is Giannis. There are probably only 15-25 other players in the league even deserving of max or near-max contract money. Of all of those deserving players (not including Donovan since he's signed longterm), we literally only have the chance to sign ONE of them. Of all the players that anyone would pay more for than maxing out Gobert, does anyone actually think we'd even have a shot at a meeting with them?

I'd gladly pay Kawhi, AD, or Lebron more than what they're making if they'd sign with Utah. But, since we will never see a Jazz super-team with Donovan or any of those guys, we should probably put everything we have into making this team great. Sign Rudy and find any opportunity to improve the team wherever possible so we can truly contend. Outside of the Lakers, no other team has proven anything and anyone could dethrone LA this season or next. Might as well see this team to the end and continue building everything around Donovan and Rudy. The alternative is getting worse and becoming regulars at the draft lottery again or at best fighting for 8th seed.
 
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