Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

[slc]

Of course Rudy's agent will ask for the max contract allowed to start out
Why not
He can then work his way down from there

 

[KqWIN]

I would be curious if they meant a not full super-max at the same value as a normal max for 5 years or if they they meant a regular max, so just 4 years.

Yeah, there's a lot of detail here that makes the tweet a nothing burger. Of course Rudy's agent will ask for the supermax, they would stupid not to. No reason for them to nudge until the 21st. The details on what "normal" max could mean very different things. 3 vs 5 years...does the contract escalate, stay flat, or descend? If the Jazz are in that in between area, it doesn't really make sense for them to just do a normal 5 year max and call it a day. They would want to structure it in a way that Rudy can have the same money, but front load it or have it be flat.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I'm guessing Rudy is going to get in the neighborhood of 5 years / $190M if he wants a 5th year. Same deal that Paul George just signed.

 

[LoPo]

So at 30M a year you are good but 38M is too much and would cripple the franchise and you’d rather have him walk?

Its the $45-50 million when he is 32 and 33 years old which is the issue. Do you even read my posts? I'm fine paying Rudy $38 for 2 years. It's the 3 additional years that will cripple us financially.

Rudy Gobert is not a supermax player.

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[LoPo]

Bro, we just signed Don to a 33M-38M deal with a player option, lol. We pretty obviously give out bad contracts if we're afraid to lose somebody.

Donovan is 24 and will be going into his prime throughout this deal. He's also a cash cow for marketing off the court.

Rudy wants more money than Don, doesn't create the financial revenue off the court, and will be past his prime for a majority of the deal.

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[Agent#00]

defensive specialists who played subpar after getting paid. hope Rudy wont be in this list

Biyombo 4/72 million Magic
Joakim Noah 4/72 knicks
Whiteside 4/98 heat
Ben Wallace 15m/year Cavs

 

[Jazzmix]

I fear that for Rudy those negotiations are not about the money but giving him appreciation he thinks he deserves. His reaction to allstar snub was telling, he wants to be recognised and I am afraid it may be more important for him that the financial ability of the franchise to build the team. And if he doesnt see himself getting along with Donovan not getting the supermax may be a good pretext to leave without making a big drama about it.

 

[LoPo]

I fear that for Rudy those negotiations are not about the money but giving him appreciation he thinks he deserves. His reaction to allstar snub was telling, he wants to be recognised and I am afraid it may be more important for him that the financial ability of the franchise to build the team. And if he doesnt see himself getting along with Donovan not getting the supermax may be a good pretext to leave without making a big drama about it.

I agree.

I think Rudy might be the most public "chip on his shoulder" guy I have ever seen. From his number 27 selection to the crying All Star snub. You could even add in the public comments about not getting the ball from teammates, his lack of defensive intensity in stretches recently, his escalating run ins with refs, and his lack of immediate humility in the Don COVID situation.

As Nick Saban says when Alabama plays in big rivalry games - "players will play with more emotion; its just important that they don't get emotional which causes issues completing the task at hand."

If Rudy carries that chip to the lockerroom, in practice, everywhere else, I could understand why teammates get annoyed with him as has been reported.



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[Agent#00]

from Porter Larsen

-Rudy wants supermax contract 35% of cap
-Jazz offered 28%
-Rudy camp turned it down
-5 days to agree

 

[LoPo]

If they can't agree by 12/21, I think we should:

Atlanta gets Rudy
Boston gets Capella (using exception)
Utah gets Collins, young players from Boston and picks from both Boston and Atlanta

Atlanta: legit with Rudy. They might even include Huerter or other assets.

Boston: needs a big and they can get Capella by using their exception from the Hayward deal.

Utah: we take a step back with Collins vs Rudy, but I think our center position would still be good with Favors, Collins and Udoka sharing time. Collins could be a superstar in the long term. He's a matchup nightmare. We could try to get Grant Williams, Langford, Carson Edwards, and/or other assets from Boston. And we avoid the luxury this year.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Its the $45-50 million when he is 32 and 33 years old which is the issue. Do you even read my posts? I'm fine paying Rudy $38 for 2 years. It's the 3 additional years that will cripple us financially.

Rudy Gobert is not a supermax player.

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I read your posts but there is inconsistent logic which is why I’m having a hard time understanding.

1- the two year deal you want is literally not something we can legally even offer.

2- the market price for Rudy currently is 4/145... you really think he is willing to bypass like 75M?

So you say you want him but only on these terms that are fairy tale land... It’s like saying you really want to be a doctor but aren’t willing to do more than 4 years of school. Well I guess you don’t want to be a doctor then... I’d respect it more if you just said you don’t want him back... because that really seems to be what you want based on posts I’ve read.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Donovan is 24 and will be going into his prime throughout this deal. He's also a cash cow for marketing off the court.

Rudy wants more money than Don, doesn't create the financial revenue off the court, and will be past his prime for a majority of the deal.

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Don is very marketable... but the biggest cash cow always has and will be winning. Losing Rudy would have a huge effect on that.