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Are the Jazz Not Bad?

framer said:
I don't think people understand what playing in the Western conference with a rotation heavy with 1st and 2nd year players looks like. It looks a lot like last year's Portland team.
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Portland doesnt have a top tier coach or a top 25 player...
 
We may win a little bit more, but I think our season will have the same tone as SAS last season. It’s just different when you’re playing for development.

Speaking of SAS….they aren’t THAT different from last season and I wouldn’t put it past Pop to pull another epic tank. I think we’re definitely in the bottom 2 of west teams but SAS could get back there.

The more talent you have concentrated in the fewest amount of players the easier it is to pull the plug. Both UTA and SAS are capable of this.
 
idiot said:
But they have something even more important: a top-5 draftee from a loaded draft. And they've done it right -- back-to-back bottom 5 finishes in the league. They're sitting so much prettier than we are now.

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Portland is a bad frachise that has poor luck as well. San Antonto is great frachise with amazing luck. when they see a future franchise player coming up the draft cycle they plan their tank jobs and hope for luck. it takes complete confidence by the coach that they will not be fired and a GM who understands sometimes you got suck for a chance at a great player. it is not guaranteed. portland is a great example. the 76s tanked for 4 straight years before landing embid. you just have to know what years you need to suck and go for it.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I agree they understand, but every win/loss matters if you want the top 5 odds. I just dont think this team has that level of suck in them for 82 games.
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We have enough suck... we have ways of finding more suck too. Are we Hawk Tuah levels of suck? Nah. 5th/6th best odds is basically where I have been for a while. I'd prefer better odds but that likely requires making a move or an injury.
 
oldtimer said:
Portland is a bad frachise that has poor luck as well. San Antonto is great frachise with amazing luck. when they see a future franchise player coming up the draft cycle they plan their tank jobs and hope for luck. it takes complete confidence by the coach that they will not be fired and a GM who understands sometimes you got suck for a chance at a great player. it is not guaranteed. portland is a great example. the 76s tanked for 4 straight years before landing embid. you just have to know what years you need to suck and go for it.
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Portland's bottom-5 finishes were the exact same years as San Antonio's bottom-5 finishes. You're right about the luck. But luck isn't something you have much control of, no matter how wonderful a franchise you are.

Btw, SA muddled around with 3 years between 32 and 34 wins before their bottom-5 finishes, missing out on players such as Anthony Edwards and Chet Holmgren in the process. Maybe we need 1 more season of wins in the 30s to properly follow this great franchise's model?
 
The Jazz coaching staff have been talking a lot about young players focusing a lot on raising their floor on their bad day. And they seemed to take it to heart: Kessler, Keyonte, Brice, Hendricks and Juzang make way less silly mistakes and keep their focus. The problem is that it raises the floor for the entire team quite a bit. And even the upcoming rookies have some skills that immediately make them less than horrible why they are learning the ropes in their first games (defense for Cody, passing and 3-pointers for Filipowski). The Jazz are also quite young and deep and not likely to lose many games to injuries as the teams with older vets.

If they want to finish in the bottom 5 they will need to trade one or even two out of Sexton, Clarkson and Collins.
 
framer said:
I don't think people understand what playing in the Western conference with a rotation heavy with 1st and 2nd year players looks like. It looks a lot like last year's Portland team.
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You underestimate how much Will Hardy is going to play the vets
 
idiot said:
Portland's bottom-5 finishes were the exact same years as San Antonio's bottom-5 finishes. You're right about the luck. But luck isn't something you have much control of, no matter how wonderful a franchise you are.

Btw, SA muddled around with 3 years between 32 and 34 wins before their bottom-5 finishes, missing out on players such as Anthony Edwards and Chet Holmgren in the process. Maybe we need 1 more season of wins in the 30s to properly follow this great franchise's model?
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This is very true. Not only do you need luck to get the top pick itself, but it’s also somewhat of a dice roll as to who you get at the top of the draft. We were having this discussion in the other thread, but HOU has now had four top 4 picks in a row. While those players still have plenty of time to prove their worth, certainly no Wemby’s or every guaranteed all stars. Nobody can even blame them for making those selections without the benefit of hindsight.

Even when there’s a “sure thing” like Wemby. Ok, so you have a maximum of 14% chance that you’re a genius and otherwise you’re just dumb?
 
in a draft with one star you can be a genius or dumb based on lottery luck. however everything i read says next year is super special. best in many many years. tanking hard and getting a guaranteed top five pick by finishinng with one of the worst records is my dream. i agree with Cy that we are not one of the top 4 worse teams. thats why i want hardy to tank hard by playing youngsters and benching hot players in the 4th quarter. we are going to need to try to tank games.
 
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