Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?

[PearlWatson]

Men can also be single, infertile, or too old to have children. Further, this does not explain why the separation is needed in the first place.
If the hierarchy were mirrored, that would mean Relief Society Presidents had authority over a congregation in the manner that bishops do, the same responsibilities, etc. There would be the equivalent of women prophets and women in similar positions to other high-level offices. To my understanding, this is not true. Thus, your claim of "mirrored" is flatly false.

Females were given the power to bare children. God doesn't give exceptions on that.
Bishoprics mirror the godhead (3 dudes).

 

[PearlWatson]

I interpreted your comment to be in support of PearlWatson's claim that hormone levels would have some significance in who should be bishops, Relief Society Presidents, etc. It seems I was wrong. I apologize for my erroneous assumption.

The hormone level is why women are uniquely qualified to bare and raise children, goose.

 

[One Brow]

Why do you think women need a man to be their champion in anything.

They don't. The belief that they do is called White Knight Syndrome.

That's as sexist/misogynistic/full of hate/dismissive/full of contempt as any of the other things you are saying are going on and wrong.

I agree. Are you accusing me of White Knighting? Based on what evidence, outside of my discussion of the topic at all? Are you just trying another variation of "Just shut up"?

I don't need to be a woman to tell you that if you have seen these things that's great, and it's still your opinion. I have seen many many things that tell me otherwise. Are those things going on out there, sure. Maybe you are just hanging out with the wrong people.

Given that, so far by all appearances, you believe men should be in charge based on their nature, I'm skeptical of your observational awareness.

The hypocritical part is that you are telling people that they are not a woman so they cant say what women feel or experience, and yet you are a man telling people what women feel or experience. That would be a pretty textbook definition of hypocritical.

I'm describing behaviors and effects, not feelings and experiences. What any particular woman feels or experiences in response to a particular behavior will be different from any other particular woman, to varying degree.

 

[One Brow]

Females were given the power to bare children. God doesn't give exceptions on that.

Really? Many women can't bear children at all. Again, why deny them? Besides, I used to take off the kid's clothes for baths, my gender never prevented it.l

Bishoprics mirror the godhead (3 dudes).

I had a feeling JazzSpazz was going there, but I guess I'll never know.

Why can't a woman bishop mirror the godhead?

 

[One Brow]

The hormone level is why women are uniquely qualified to bare and raise children, goose.

I'm fairly sure it's the uterus that's needed to bear children, and either gender can and does raise children. This is just naked sexism.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Why do you think women need a man to be their champion in anything.

They don't.

Then why are you doing this?

That's as sexist/misogynistic/full of hate/dismissive/full of contempt as any of the other things you are saying are going on and wrong.

I agree. Are you accusing me of White Knighting? Based on what evidence, outside of my discussion of the topic at all? Are you just trying another variation of "Just shut up"?

I accused you of being a hypocrite. If I wanted to tell you to "Just shut up" I would.

I don't need to be a woman to tell you that if you have seen these things that's great, and it's still your opinion. I have seen many many things that tell me otherwise. Are those things going on out there, sure. Maybe you are just hanging out with the wrong people.

Given that, so far by all appearances, you believe men should be in charge based on their nature, I'm skeptical of your observational awareness.

And given that, so far by all appearances, you attribute false ideas to what I believe consistently even when told I do not believe such things, I'm skeptical of your mental capacity and motives.

The hypocritical part is that you are telling people that they are not a woman so they cant say what women feel or experience, and yet you are a man telling people what women feel or experience. That would be a pretty textbook definition of hypocritical.

I'm describing behaviors and effects, not feelings and experiences. What any particular woman feels or experiences in response to a particular behavior will be different from any other particular woman, to varying degree.

Oh, you wouldn't dare say what one woman feels or experiences, but you are good with telling what all women feel and experience. What are effects if not directly related to the feelings and experiences of the group you have attempted to seized authority to speak for of which you are not a part of?

For someone that does not believe in religion, you sure have the holier than thou attitude down pat.

 

[Stoked]

I agree but that then creates other numerous problems that I may not be in line with the pro gay agenda crowd.

For example, a college/university that is not on the public dime being forced to allow same sex housing. Or a non public adoption org. having to accept same sex couples. If they are private they should not be forced to accept it. Gay marriage should be allowed but it creates other problems that would need to be resolved.

 

[Stoked]

They don't. The belief that they do is called White Knight Syndrome.



I agree. Are you accusing me of White Knighting? Based on what evidence, outside of my discussion of the topic at all? Are you just trying another variation of "Just shut up"?



Given that, so far by all appearances, you believe men should be in charge based on their nature, I'm skeptical of your observational awareness.



I'm describing behaviors and effects, not feelings and experiences. What any particular woman feels or experiences in response to a particular behavior will be different from any other particular woman, to varying degree.

Who are you to speak for the womans perspective?

 

[PearlWatson]

I'm fairly sure it's the uterus that's needed to bear children, and either gender can and does raise children. This is just naked sexism.

The uterus, eggs, Fallopian tubes, breasts and milk, and the hormones that go along with it...all part of the innate/unique differences.

I meant mothering. Naked is the best kind.

 

[PearlWatson]

Just boys picking up my daughters. Call me old fashioned. Call me a misogynist. Call me sexist. I believe in treating a lady like a lady. That includes opening doors for them, carrying the groceries in, pulling a chair out for them, standing up when they excuse themselves from the table, never hitting a woman no matter what, etc. I think society could use a lot more chivalry and less PC ******** which is what you are peddling here.

Best post of the thread.

 

[Sandy Braille]

I genuinely regret making this thread.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I genuinely regret making this thread.

Sexist