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Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?

I have already answered this question. Please refer to post #348.

Your post on #348 translates to to me as reading, 'God wanted something for men to to that would being them closer, so God decided that a church hierarchy, otherwise unnecessary, was the best way to accomplish this'. Hence, my question on why the otherwise unnecessary callings were created at all, when surely there would have been better ways of accomplishing the same thing.

Of course, maybe you meant to say something like 'the church hierarchy is necessary, and only men can be in it because women get to be mommies'. If you can't see why that offers no good reason to separate out the Mormon church as less sexist than other churches, I'm not sure what else to say on that. It's pretty clearly an arbitrary restriction enforcing an unequal power structure over an issue that doesn't apply to, say, a childless woman of 50. Can childless women become bishops after menopause?

It's also possible you meant something else entirely, and you might even deign to tell me what that was. What did not happen is that I read your reply and treated it as being blank.
 
Using language to slight what someone else believes is also no good manners.

I disagree. Slighting a person for what they believe is bad manners. Slighting a bad belief is acting with integrity toward the believer. It doesn't mean it should happen in every post or every topic, but it would be dishonest to hide it when it is appropriate.
 
Someone telling you the opinion they have formed of what your intentions are from the conversations you two have had is not bad manners.

There is a difference between stating what your impression it, and stating what another person is.

Acceptable: Stoked, you are arguing as if you are not smart enough to see the difference person A telling person B what person A thinks, and person A telling person B what person B thinks.
Unacceptable: Stoked, you obviously are not smart enough to see the difference person A telling person B what person A thinks, and person A telling person B what person B thinks, and from now on I'll just assume you are not smart enough.

See the difference (just to be clear, I think you are smart enough to see that difference)? Go back and check, JazzSpazz that he would assume I was intentionally saying erroneous things. So, I called him out. Why you got involved in that, you'll have to answer.

Did they insult you? No.

Actually, yes. Being called a liar is one of the few things you can say that I will take personally as an insult.

It was not presented as fact.

Except, it was.
 
I disagree. Slighting a person for what they believe is bad manners. Slighting a bad belief is acting with integrity toward the believer. It doesn't mean it should happen in every post or every topic, but it would be dishonest to hide it when it is appropriate.

So it is good manners when you are honest but not someone else. Got it.
 
Here you go One Brow. If you have mutliple people coming to the same general conclussion about your intentions in a certain discussion, all done in a polite way, than perhaps you should rethink the way that you word your replies.

That I made no objection to how Bronco70 worded his response, while I made an objection to an earlier response, would clue in many people that the responses were saying things differently.
 
So it is good manners when you are honest but not someone else. Got it.

I am certain you are smarter than this post makes you appear.

Edit to add: For example, I did not say TheBlackSwordsman was exhibiting bad manners for his dig at my beliefs.
 
I am certain you are smarter than this post makes you appear.

I was certain you would understand I was messing with you. Appears one of us was mistaken.

I still think you are wrong about Jazzspazz giving you his opinion of your intentions.
 
Prejudice and Contempt

1) Do you think the use of the term "benevolent sexism" to describe an act of sexism means that there is no contempt or prejudice expressed by that particular expression of sexism for either sex?

Thanks for clarifying.

Contempt for a gender would clearly disqualify the act from being categorized as "benevolent"

Prejudice is a bit trickier.

Let's say a mother asks her son to shovel the snow on the walk instead of doing the dishes because she feels that "boys generally have more fun outdoors" and "boys generlally like doing more phyiscal work." This shows prejudice, it is sexist, but it is not necessarily expressing misandry or misogyny. (benevolent)

Conversely, if she thinks it is "beneath" a man to do the dishes because men are fundamentally superior to women, she would misogynistic. (not benevolent)

So an expression of prejudice would not necessarily disqualify the act from being benevolent.
 
Your post on #348 translates to to me as reading, 'God wanted something for men to to that would being them closer, so God decided that a church hierarchy, otherwise unnecessary, was the best way to accomplish this'. Hence, my question on why the otherwise unnecessary callings were created at all, when surely there would have been better ways of accomplishing the same thing.

Yeah... this is you seeing what you want to see. I'm getting dizzy and want off this ride.

Of course, maybe you meant to say something like 'the church hierarchy is necessary, and only men can be in it because women get to be mommies'. If you can't see why that offers no good reason to separate out the Mormon church as less sexist than other churches, I'm not sure what else to say on that. It's pretty clearly an arbitrary restriction enforcing an unequal power structure over an issue that doesn't apply to, say, a childless woman of 50. Can childless women become bishops after menopause?

I see you've been talking to Straw Bronco70 again.

It's also possible you meant something else entirely, and you might even deign to tell me what that was.

I thought that's what I've been doing, but my answers have apparently been too simplistic or vague for your needs. I'm guessing you're looking for something specific, but I don't know what that is.

How 'bout we say this: By One Brow's definition, the LDS church is a misogynist organization.

That better?
 
I disagree. Slighting a person for what they believe is bad manners. Slighting a bad belief is acting with integrity toward the believer. It doesn't mean it should happen in every post or every topic, but it would be dishonest to hide it when it is appropriate.

So it's actually good of me to say the lack of belief in God is foolish and moronic. I would then be acting in integrity and not insulting you directly, but in a round about way. It's better to insult and belittle everything around the person and everything that makes that person who they are, but it's bad manners to actually insult that person directly.

The gospel according to One Brow. Very telling actually.
 
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Yes, I accept that you believe in God.

This next one gets more in depth, and could take a while line by line, but here goes.

Here are two. If two are too much, we can cut back to one at a time.

God is my spiritual Father.
God has a body and is in the "form of a man"... more like man is in the form of the Father.

We good?
 
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