Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?

[One Brow]

If you are talking physical traits, then yes, if I understand you correctly. God, as in our Father, is not a woman, and is not a mix of male and female.

1-God exists
2- God is my spiritual Father
3- God has a body of flesh and bone, and is male.

If you are still with me go to 4, if not we can clarify.

4- God loves me, and all of his children. (all people that have, or will live on the earth)

OK so far.

 

[babe]

Reasoning such as yours was used to justify Jim Crow laws. So, while I'm sure you have the most genuine intent, I'm not impressed with your reasoning.



There is no good evidence that gender plays a significant factor in parenting role, and your gender polarizations are mostly cultural artifacts, not innate characteristics.



While 'required" might be a little too far, such counseling is a very good idea.

fantasies of moral superiority are not uniquely possessed by conservatives.

 

[One Brow]

fantasies of moral superiority are not uniquely possessed by conservatives.

Agreed.

Were you referring to any specific fantasies by non-conservatives, or just weighing in for balance?

 

[babe]

Equality is over-hyped with liberals. In striving for some types of equality you dismiss individuality/uniqueness/diversity/innate differences.

There is such a diversity in personality, circumstances, physical attributes, skills, talents, interests, motivations in the human population that you are missing the mark if you value equality in role/position/outcome above all else.

Equality ain't important if you have different roles and purposes to fill in life. The polarity of the genders is the reason having both a mom and a dad is so important.

As for the topic of marriage. I think people should be required to have pre-marital counseling before they are allowed to get married, so they can discuss all the important issues...finances, in-laws, children, division of labor, religion. All these things can be more difficult to sort out when you come from different cultural backgrounds.

Some people actually place a positive value on being "different" somehow. Funny how a lot of progressives don't do that.

The idea of "counselling" being a requirement for marriage is actually a very "progressive" notion, too. Having Pearl bring that out as a final point in her post just shows how thoroughly we have all been indoctrinated by, and subjected to, the theories of statism, whether under the "progressive" or "conservative" flags.

Maybe a good idea? depends on what the point of the counselling is. If it's the state's objective to regulate and control "marriage", and the finances, children, work roles, and specific belief notions that are "allowable" or even to be encouraged, I think it's just more overlord management.

 

[babe]

Agreed.

Were you referring to any specific fantasies by non-conservatives, or just weighing in for balance?

I'm probably an anachronism. I'm like the settlers who used to think it was getting crowded when a new family moved in and cleared a little patch of forest three miles away. Or four. Or even over the hill a ways.

elbow room is essential for freedom when you swing those elbows.

not like in a basketball game, where the point is having some effect on others.

 

[silesian]

sexism continued

My understanding of the term "benevolent" is that if focuses on outcomes, not reasoning. So, laws that prevent women from entering combat roles, or household traditions that meant they never shoveled snow, would be classified as benevolent sexism, even they are based on a disdain for the possibility that a woman can adequately handle the work (aka contempt).

Generally, any time you separate one group based upon an assumption of natural preferences, inclinations, or abilities, you are expressing contempt for the other groups capabilities in that area. Segregation is inherently unequal.

If a father signs up his daughter for dance lessons while employing a mental model that is a gender sterotype (sexism) based on the (perhaps misguided) belief that she will enjoy dance because girls generally do, he may also be expressing his love (not contempt) for her and his hope for her happiness. When a Grandmom buys dolls for newborn girls and balls for newborn boys, it is not with contempt that they do so, but it is certainly based on gender and therefore sexist (benevolent).

Anyhow, interesting discussion, I think we'll wind up agreeing on some points and disagreeing on others. Take care, One Brow

 

[Jazz Spazz]

If you are talking physical traits, then yes, if I understand you correctly. God, as in our Father, is not a woman, and is not a mix of male and female.

1-God exists
2- God is my spiritual Father
3- God has a body of flesh and bone, and is male.

If you are still with me go to 4, if not we can clarify.

4- God loves me, and all of his children. (all people that have, or will live on the earth)

OK so far.

5- God while the ultimate authority, works with others to get things done. We'll call it the Godhead, which is made up of 3 distinct personages that work together, yet all is done in the name of the Father. Jesus Christ is one, who now has a body of flesh and bone as well, and someone we call The Holy Ghost, or the Holy Spirit who does not have a body of flesh and bone yet, but is a personage of spirit still.

6- God has a plan for us, his spirit children.

7- This plan has need of an "earth" for us as part of this plan.

Too fast?

 

[One Brow]

If a father signs up his daughter for dance lessons while employing a mental model that is a gender sterotype (sexism) based on the (perhaps misguided) belief that she will enjoy dance because girls generally do, he may also be expressing his love (not contempt) for her and his hope for her happiness. When a Grandmom buys dolls for newborn girls and balls for newborn boys, it is not with contempt that they do so, but it is certainly based on gender and therefore sexist (benevolent).

Anyhow, interesting discussion, I think we'll wind up agreeing on some points and disagreeing on others. Take care, One Brow

In each of those cases, you're only expressing half of the mental model. It's the father not signing his son up for dance lessons, the grandmother not buying dolls for boys and balls for girls, that expresses the contempt for the gender not benefited with regard to a particular activity.

 

[One Brow]

5- God while the ultimate authority, works with others to get things done. We'll call it the Godhead, which is made up of 3 distinct personages that work together, yet all is done in the name of the Father. Jesus Christ is one, who now has a body of flesh and bone as well, and someone we call The Holy Ghost, or the Holy Spirit who does not have a body of flesh and bone yet, but is a personage of spirit still.

6- God has a plan for us, his spirit children.

7- This plan has need of an "earth" for us as part of this plan.

Too fast?

No, I understand all this so far. It seems quite familiar, but I'm trying to avoid anticipating what comes next, because I want to give you a full hearing out. So far, 1-7 could be compatible with a non-misogynistic dogma.

 

[Stoked]

No, I understand all this so far. It seems quite familiar, but I'm trying to avoid anticipating what comes next, because I want to give you a full hearing out. So far, 1-7 could be compatible with a non-misogynistic dogma.

It is. It is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

 

[One Brow]

It is. It is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

 

[Stoked]

Yeah I thought that was pretty good too.