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Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?

Maybe you should open your eyes a little more? Are you short? Old? Rich? Fat? Female? What makes you think you understand their experiences?

This was the part that made me laugh. Some dude talking at length about how women are treated with contempt, hatred, etc.... and then saying this.
Seems pretty hypocritical to say this when you are doing just that.
 
This was the part that made me laugh. Some dude talking at length about how women are treated with contempt, hatred, etc.... and then saying this.
Seems pretty hypocritical to say this when you are doing just that.

That is what made me smile.
 
Hormone levels also vary widely by person within a sex. Do you measure a man's testosterone level before allowing him to be a bishop? Any notion that hormone levels matter seems to be just another rationalization, if you don't actually care enough about hormone levels to measure them.

WTF? I was simply pointing out that while your statement that both sexes possess the same hormones was technically correct, it didn't take into account the varying levels found in women vs. men.

Why do you make things so damn difficult?
 
WTF? I was simply pointing out that while your statement that both sexes possess the same hormones was technically correct, it didn't take into account the varying levels found in women vs. men.

Why do you make things so damn difficult?

It's called trolling.
 
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This is not my first rodeo.
I've seen this movie before.

It's not my first rodeo, either. Basically, outside of point 3 (and similar claims in the rest of your points), this is very similar to what you see in many other religions. I've been a Catholic and strongly considered being a JW. An actual physical body for God isn't that much of an add-on, and I don't have any real questions about it.

Again, from my position, this was an attempt by you to convince me that exclusions of women from positions of leadership is somehow not mysogynistic. I don't see how asking detailed, probing questions on the physical body of God (or on any number of other things you say) is relevant to that, and believe it or not, I'm trying to avoid derailing this tangent into other areas. Did I miss something?
 
This was the part that made me laugh. Some dude talking at length about how women are treated with contempt, hatred, etc.... and then saying this.
Seems pretty hypocritical to say this when you are doing just that.

If there are any women who feel I'm describing their experiences wrongly, I'll listen; it certainly won't change what I've read about it, and what I myself have seen once I realized there was something to see. I don't need to be a woman to recognize, in a meeting, when a man starts talking over a woman and everyone else just lets it happen. I don't need to be a woman to recognize, in a classroom, when a male student acts more disruptive when women are answering questions than when men are. I don't need to be a woman to recognize, in a board gaming group, when a man prefers the suggestions of any male player and ignores the suggestions of a female player. I'm still guilty of all of that, but I have been trying to improve the last couple of years, and I'm getting better. I'm living what I'm saying. Whatever I am, a hypocrite is not among them.
 
Why do you make things so damn difficult?

I interpreted your comment to be in support of PearlWatson's claim that hormone levels would have some significance in who should be bishops, Relief Society Presidents, etc. It seems I was wrong. I apologize for my erroneous assumption.
 
If there are any women who feel I'm describing their experiences wrongly, I'll listen; it certainly won't change what I've read about it, and what I myself have seen once I realized there was something to see. I don't need to be a woman to recognize, in a meeting, when a man starts talking over a woman and everyone else just lets it happen. I don't need to be a woman to recognize, in a classroom, when a male student acts more disruptive when women are answering questions than when men are. I don't need to be a woman to recognize, in a board gaming group, when a man prefers the suggestions of any male player and ignores the suggestions of a female player. I'm still guilty of all of that, but I have been trying to improve the last couple of years, and I'm getting better. I'm living what I'm saying. Whatever I am, a hypocrite is not among them.

Why do you think women need a man to be their champion in anything. That's as sexist/misogynistic/full of hate/dismissive/full of contempt as any of the other things you are saying are going on and wrong.

I don't need to be a woman to tell you that if you have seen these things that's great, and it's still your opinion. I have seen many many things that tell me otherwise. Are those things going on out there, sure. Maybe you are just hanging out with the wrong people.

The hypocritical part is that you are telling people that they are not a woman so they cant say what women feel or experience, and yet you are a man telling people what women feel or experience. That would be a pretty textbook definition of hypocritical.
 
Hormone levels also vary widely by person within a sex. Do you measure a man's testosterone level before allowing him to be a bishop? Any notion that hormone levels matter seems to be just another rationalization, if you don't actually care enough about hormone levels to measure them.

Na, we measure up early on with gym class.
 
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