As of today, is it fair to doubt the organization's commitment to the playoffs next year?

[fishonjazz]

It's working. The Jazz are defensively elite, young, hungry, talented and deep. The FO has loaded the staff and brought the Jazz into the present. DL and Snyder have this team humming and ready for a big year.

This.
Every jazz fan should be pretty Damn happy with this team and organization right now

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Being under the cap doesn't matter, cuz the owner is still paying 90% of it by default. Extra 2 million is extra 2 million-- the Millers have a long history of penny-pinching, and I'd love to know how many picks the Jazz have purchased im franchise history. Do you know yourself? If Rudy's wasn't the first, then there's guaranteed been less than 5 occasions.

It's a gamble.

lol

 

[NAOS]

No whey we can do this without the bulldog on our roster

who said we couldn't get back into the playoffs without a bulldog on the perimeter? Please provide actual evidence. TIA


Or... is this just another one in the long line of absolute dog**** you've been posting lately?





Also, I love the claim that OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE ****ED, SO YOU SHOULD FEEL BLESSED ABOUT 100% OF THE JAZZ FO'S BEHAVIORS. Really profound **** here, bois.

 

[fishonjazz]

YOU SHOULD FEEL BLESSED ABOUT 100% OF THE JAZZ FO'S BEHAVIORS.

Have not seen anybody say that yet. Link?

 

[NAOS]

Have not seen anybody say that yet. Link?

Perhaps you can't feel the starkness of language in the following exchange?

Seriously dudes, if you didn't see my post in another thread.....

...in other words, he's written about this repeatedly...

Consider the Jazz and us fans blessed. It could be so, so much worse.

Visit the Lakers board at https://lakernation.com/forums/index.php?/forum/4-lakers-talk/ and go to the Lakers Free Agency Discussion thread. They're on suicide watch over there.

Not only enjoy their pain, but thank your lucky stars the Jazz snapped out of compete/rebuild soon enough to actually get us to where we are today in a relatively short time.

In Hayward's name we pray...

Cappy tries to inject a little sanity...

Agree, except Rudy is the reason we are spared a long painful rebuild. I love Hayward and he's a very good player, but Utah is still a lottery team without Rudy.

... but Peterzz has to reground the discussion in the pure good works of the FO, and the absolute ludicrous actions of other teams (namely, the Lakers)... Anyway, it is full of unsubstantiated and stark claims.

Rudy is the result of good decisions, e.g. being aggressive in the draft, stockpiling assets, great preparation. Rudy was lucky, but not an accident.

The Lakers had the opportunity to draft #2 and grab probably the best player in the draft, Okafur, and drafted Russell instead, all because they were banking on luring LA. They put all their eggs in one basket thinking Kobe, their current roster, the LA life, and a #2 pick would net a star in FA. It didn't and won't.

Had the Jazz held on to Deron and tried to compete and rebuild further, we'd be in the cellar with the Lakers.

Then you come in and participate...

This.
Every jazz fan should be pretty Damn happy with this team and organization right now

Whether you want to admit it or not, these kinds of sentiments SHUT DOWN critical thinking about basketball and the business of basketball. The language on that side of things is stark, that much is clear.

Nobody on "my side" has said that it couldn't be worse. Nobody on "my side" isn't feeling appreciation that we've come as far as we have. So when "Peterzz and Dalamon's" side makes all these implications that we're unhappy or "mouth breathers" it does a huge disservice.


BTW, these posts are just from the last few pages of this one thread. In fact, it's going on in multiple thread across multiple pages.

 

[gregbroncs]

Lindsey's gambles:
-Trading up for Burke
-letting Millsap, Carroll, and Al walk for nothing in order to...
-tank (they got Exum)

By my scorecard, his gambles are below .500. Burke hasn't been good, And Exum hasn't been particularly great either (they're both young, so we don't have to trade them Fs, but they haven't proven to be As yet either). Meanwhile, two all-stars were born, and one became one of the better wings in the NBA when they walked.

Lindsey's greatest achievements thus far haven't really been gambles. Getting Gobert at #27 is 26 teams being completely ****ing retarded and Hood being there that late was also weird (although he deserves credit for acquiring that pick). He deserves credit for getting Gobert all the same, but the Jazz spent squat in assets to get it, hardly a gamble. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here a bit. But on these points, the Jazz could easily have kept Carroll and Millsap and STILL gotten Hood (with their own pick) and Gobert (with their own pick) even if they were making the playoffs.

Things have started to go well on his watch, but it's important to be honest with ourselves. From what information is available, I can only say I have faith in his vision and overall resume, and that he's shown a willingness to work the market. But his swings for the fences haven't yielded anything... yet.

I don't count letting those guys walk as a gamble. It was a decision that had to be made or be stuck in mediocrity. Drafting Exum was a gamble, buying Gobert was a gamble (though a low risk one), matching a max contract for Hayward was a gamble, Trading for Burke was a gamble, And letting Hayward go to FA was a gamble. A few of those seem to be bad gambles, I'd say he's done pretty well though.

 

[gregbroncs]

What happens if Oubre isn't better? Will you admit it?

LOL. You expect the guy who still insists that Hayward is a scrub after being proven 1,000,000 percent wrong to admit to being wrong about something else?

 

[fishonjazz]

Perhaps you can't feel the starkness of language in the following exchange?



...in other words, he's written about this repeatedly...



Cappy tries to inject a little sanity...



... but Peterzz has to reground the discussion in the pure good works of the FO, and the absolute ludicrous actions of other teams (namely, the Lakers)... Anyway, it is full of unsubstantiated and stark claims.



Then you come in and participate...



Whether you want to admit it or not, these kinds of sentiments SHUT DOWN critical thinking about basketball and the business of basketball. The language on that side of things is stark, that much is clear.

Nobody on "my side" has said that it couldn't be worse. Nobody on "my side" isn't feeling appreciation that we've come as far as we have. So when "Peterzz and Dalamon's" side makes all these implications that we're unhappy or "mouth breathers" it does a huge disservice.


BTW, these posts are just from the last few pages of this one thread. In fact, it's going on in multiple thread across multiple pages.

You said be happy with 100% of the front office decisions.
I have not seen anyone say that.

I'm happy with the team and front office and think everyone should be. We have a very young, very talented and very exciting young team.
But the front office can always do better and I think everyone knows that.
You are just being a dick like usual. Carry on

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Dalamon's coming of age story will be when he finally achieves his own synthesis between the universalizing scientific stuff of his university years, with the suffocating universalizing religious screed that is haunting him now. A new kind of Imam. Derivative as hell, but, yeah new kind of derivative-as-hell Imam.

And here, it appears, is the ultimate end of the natural progression from a debate about roster building strategies to mean-spirited and totally unnecessary personal attacks greatly disproportionate to the importance of the topic being discussed.

Well done NAOS, well done!

You don't have to turn every discussion on this forum into an opportunity to be a dick.

 

[fishonjazz]

Perhaps you can't feel the starkness of language in the following exchange?



...in other words, he's written about this repeatedly...



Cappy tries to inject a little sanity...



... but Peterzz has to reground the discussion in the pure good works of the FO, and the absolute ludicrous actions of other teams (namely, the Lakers)... Anyway, it is full of unsubstantiated and stark claims.



Then you come in and participate...



Whether you want to admit it or not, these kinds of sentiments SHUT DOWN critical thinking about basketball and the business of basketball. The language on that side of things is stark, that much is clear.

Nobody on "my side" has said that it couldn't be worse. Nobody on "my side" isn't feeling appreciation that we've come as far as we have. So when "Peterzz and Dalamon's" side makes all these implications that we're unhappy or "mouth breathers" it does a huge disservice.


BTW, these posts are just from the last few pages of this one thread. In fact, it's going on in multiple thread across multiple pages.

I would have liked to get splitter or a different backup 5.
I would like to get George hill.

Still, we have an awesome roster and coach and most of that is due to the front office.
I'm happy. You should be too imo but if you are not, that's ok too

 

[NAOS]

You said be happy with 100% of the front office decisions.
I have not seen anyone say that.

I'm happy with the team and front office and think everyone should be. We have a very young, very talented and very exciting young team.
But the front office can always do better and I think everyone knows that.
You are just being a dick like usual. Carry on

mmhmm

 

[NAOS]

I would have liked to get splitter or a different backup 5.
I would like to get George hill.

Still, we have an awesome roster and coach and most of that is due to the front office.
I'm happy. You should be too imo but if you are not, that's ok too

Splitter for cap space would have been great.