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sepanol said:
i think some guys here think JV will come to nba and dominate right away. It is impossible with his current body. I even hesitate to say Enes will have an impact in his first year, it is difficult to say. But at least we have seen some promise from him, watched couple of live games in the last 2 weeks. It is pretty obvious he is a very good rebounder, a tough hustle player with offensive skills. He just needs playing time and experience.

On the other hand, JV needs much more to succeed in nba. He needs to bulk up first, and then get some experience. He is playing in euroleague for the last 2 yrs and he is a more ready player than Enes, but the question is he ready for nba, not for euro basket?
I think he will be a good player but he will struggle a lot more than Enes in order to reach his potential in nba.
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he needs to dominate in euroleague first,he had 7.7 points,5.3 rebounds last year.
 
aybars said:
jonas scored 10 points at game1 against spain,7 points against russia,when things get serious,numbers go down as you see,and he avaraged 18 min a game.jonas had 7.7 pts,and 5.3 rebounds in euroleague last year.

P.S excuse my english
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Sorry but you are wrong. Jonas scored 14pts/7reb vs Russia in first game and 13pts/16reb in second. He had 11pts in second game vs Spain.
 
AKMVP said:
Sorry but you are wrong. Jonas scored 14pts/7reb vs Russia in first game and 13pts/16reb in second. He had 11pts in second game vs Spain.
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nope,7 points,14 rebounds against russia,i saw the game,didnt see the second game,,he had 10 points and 4 rebounds against spain,first game,didnt see the second game.
 
PKM said:
I think Kanter's more ready, right now, to be in the NBA. I also believe it's a stretch to think he'll get many minutes in year 1. Overall, I think EK is going to be the better player, but I think the two are different enough that they'll be compared more to others rather than each other.

--- And, yes, I know the reason we're comparing them now.
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People always want what they dont have. If we picked JV instead of Enes, i believe much more people would say, ohhhh Enes was so much better, why didnt we draft him, damn KOC , things like that. But i think we made the best choice. Enes is the best player of this draft. Only player i see in his level is Irving
 
AKMVP said:
Sorry but you are wrong. Jonas scored 14pts/7reb vs Russia in first game and 13pts/16reb in second. He had 11pts in second game vs Spain.
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do u have a link for the stats? i might have missed some points or rebounds,cause i saw the games on tv,i did my own calculating.but im pretty sure about russian game he had 7 points and 14 rebounds,,spain game 10 or 11(as u say)
 
sepanol said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGeUQdOqs_U

here is a great performance by JV for many. But it doesnt convince me he will be a very good nba player. It is clear he is a skilled big man and he has a good wingspan, but come on, scoring 36 against some little kids doesnt make him a better player than Enes. I dont see any toughness from him, he is not gonna find the opportunity to rebound in nba as he did in this game, there is gonna be much more struggle, who can prove he will be fine guarding strong players in the post, like Garnett, Griffin, even Big Al? What we have seen from Kanter since game 1 is his toughness and motor so his game will translate to nba in a good way. But i didnt see the same thing from JV yet. He seems more like a poor mans Gasol to me , which is still not bad. But i dont think he is better than Enes at all as many people dreaming
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So Besovic ( Serbian center JV destroyed in finals) at 7'2 and 250lbs is little kid? You see motor form Kanter but do not see motor and 200% effort from JV? I can't believe you just watched that video and posted this. I see exact opposite in their games, JV has showed huge leadership skills, heart, great motor and toughness. I am willing to bet with you that JV will have much better NBA career then Kanter when it is all said and done ok?
 
AKMVP said:
So Besovic ( Serbian center JV destroyed in finals) at 7'2 and 250lbs is little kid? You see motor form Kanter but do not see motor and 200% effort from JV? I can't believe you just watched that video and posted this. I see exact opposite in their games, JV has showed huge leadership skills, heart, great motor and toughness. I am willing to bet with you that JV will have much better NBA career then Kanter when it is all said and done ok?
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all JV can be is a good euro-league Center,thats all,which is not a bad thing,he will go to toronto next year and he will be back to europa year after that.
 
AKMVP said:
So Besovic ( Serbian center JV destroyed in finals) at 7'2 and 250lbs is little kid? You see motor form Kanter but do not see motor and 200% effort from JV? I can't believe you just watched that video and posted this. I see exact opposite in their games, JV has showed huge leadership skills, heart, great motor and toughness. I am willing to bet with you that JV will have much better NBA career then Kanter when it is all said and done ok?
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I didnt understand how come you came to the idea of leadership skills from highlights? We can bet if you like, but it is gonna be a long bet, and what will determine who is better? Their stats or whatelse?

Anyway the point is, i dont really see any obstacle in front of JV in that game. I didnt see he had any phsycal trouble when going to the rim, did you?
JV scored most of his points with his skills, not his effort.

Also the second game vs Spain he scored 11, while they beat spain, as it says here

https://hoopsrumors.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/fiba-jonas-valanciunas-lithuania-beat-pau-gasol-spain/

I dont know what made you like JV so much? He didnt even have a very impressive performance. Enes dominated the U18 tournament when he was 16. I think it was more impressive.
 
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