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Aussies Blow The Lid Off Boston Firecracker Fraud

Babe, can you take us step by step to the truth you know about the Boston Marathon firecracker incident?

Like, layout what we've been told. What parts of that are a fabrication. How we know for certain it's a fabrication.

Then, most importantly, what the truth is and how we know for certain that is the truth and not just conjecture filling the void left by the fact that what we've been told is false.

That's why I call it "because we don't know what happened we know exactly what happened" which is the basis of every conspiracy theory I've ever looked into. They shock you with some seemingly inconsistent fact regarding what we've been told (upright water bottles) and from there they reverse construct a set of "facts" that fit the chain of events and then provide a "boom! this is what happened" narrative. The problem I have with that is that it is very easy to invent any number of alternatives to explain an event, but conspiracy theorists seem to think that because their favorite story is so clever and fits the events so well (which again, it's easy to have a series of events laid before you and invent a story that fits) that that in and of itself establishes fact, when it does no such thing.
 
babe said:
I'm not much of a hater, but potheads seem like a huge waste of human talent. Did you notice the alleged pothead on the History bunk channel depicted earlier in this thread.

People who are too laid back to be able to engage in a few facts about a few pics or videos. They can say anything and just feel good all day long.

At least Siro can see that much as fact.
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An ungodly amount of very successful humans partake in marijuana.
 
babe said:
People who are too laid back.
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This is why you are wrong.
Not everyone who smokes pot is laid back.

In fact there are different kinds of pot...... some give you energy and motivate you to get out and get **** done.
Some help you sleep and make you mellow.

Lots of VERY productive pot smokers.... not all of them are slackers.


You are incredibly ignorant on this subject
 
By the way.
Add washington d.c. to the list of legalized marijuana
 
Don't understand babe's disdain for weed smokers. Most of the conspiracy theories I've heard have come from the mouths of hippies sharing a bong with me.
 
When everyday people feel powerless, anxious, uncertain, conspiracy theories can offer order and control; an easy, though often logically tortured, explanation to the meaningless absurdity of life and death, the random violence of a bomb left on the street.

Still, dismissing conspiracy theorists as lunatics has always been the best way to marginalize their one crucial insight: actual conspiracies happen all the time and are at the foundation of every form of government throughout history. The elite and the powerful have always conspired to first retain and then expand their power. While democracy can ameliorate and soften the concentration of power, no system of government has been able to stop the eventual degradation, the corruption inherent in conspiracy wears away at the foundations of power, governments fail, whole civilizations crumble and fall.
 
Babe, are there aliens among us? I am interested in this topic, and would like to hear what a guy like you thinks about it.
 
b_line said:
Babe, are there aliens among us? I am interested in this topic, and would like to hear what a guy like you thinks about it.
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Babe is "government is evil" kind of conspiracy theorist, not the "the world is run by inexplicable forces" kind.

Edit: That is, the type who's into the New World Order trying to steal his rights and liberties kind of conspiracies, not the type who thinks lizard people are planning an Earth invasion.
 
I'd also like to add that Babe is not stupid (despite this Boston bombing ****). He is wrong in his interpretation of some of what's happening, not in the fact that it is. The New World Order is just another name for the rationalist-humanist movement that has become the default ideology among many of those in power. For example, the attempts at establishing a world government and worldwide human rights. Those are righteous goals that I fully believe in. But Babe has a more of a spiritualist view on rights (God given), and sees the rationalist discussion of human rights as a flawed concept to begin with.
 
Siro said:
Babe is "government is evil" kind of conspiracy theorist, not the "the world is run by inexplicable forces" kind.

Edit: That is, the type who's into the New World Order trying to steal his rights and liberties kind of conspiracies, not the type who thinks lizard people are planning an Earth invasion.
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The government has been proven to be 'evil' on numerous occasions, 9/11 being one of them. I also disagree with establishing a world government as being a righteous goal, what if it's an evil world government, then there would be no room for dissenting. The closer the government is to the people the better, hence the genius in establishing the 10th amendment by the Founding Fathers. If the Federal Govt decides to **** over the People's rights, a given State may secede from it to guarantee the Liberty of it's citizens. It's a safe that contains the Federal Govt from gaining too much power, I don't think they would be fans of losing territory.
 
Jamezz said:
The government has been proven to be 'evil' on numerous occasions, 9/11 being one of them. I also disagree with establishing a world government as being a righteous goal, what if it's an evil world government, then there would be no room for dissenting. The closer the government is to the people the better, hence the genius in establishing the 10th amendment by the Founding Fathers. If the Federal Govt decides to **** over the People's rights, a given State may secede from it to guarantee the Liberty of it's citizens. It's a safe that contains the Federal Govt from gaining too much power, I don't think they would be fans of losing territory.
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A global governing body is the only way we can tackle problems in a globalized world. Rights and liberties are created by people in order to advance the cause of society and civilization. There is no real difference between state and federal governments when it comes to the question of rights. They can both **** over people's rights, and thus neither is an inherent guarantee for upholding people's liberties. And the US government had nothing to do with 9/11.
 
Gameface said:
Babe, can you take us step by step to the truth you know about the Boston Marathon firecracker incident?

Like, layout what we've been told. What parts of that are a fabrication. How we know for certain it's a fabrication.

Then, most importantly, what the truth is and how we know for certain that is the truth and not just conjecture filling the void left by the fact that what we've been told is false.

That's why I call it "because we don't know what happened we know exactly what happened" which is the basis of every conspiracy theory I've ever looked into. They shock you with some seemingly inconsistent fact regarding what we've been told (upright water bottles) and from there they reverse construct a set of "facts" that fit the chain of events and then provide a "boom! this is what happened" narrative. The problem I have with that is that it is very easy to invent any number of alternatives to explain an event, but conspiracy theorists seem to think that because their favorite story is so clever and fits the events so well (which again, it's easy to have a series of events laid before you and invent a story that fits) that that in and of itself establishes fact, when it does no such thing.
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I'll gladly do this, and give you rep for bringing this thread to a reasonable point or two.

You are right in your logic here. I will pose some more reasonable possibilities than any you've seen, I think. But I am on the road again, and I need to do my work. Hoping to get back to this ib a few days.
 
babe said:
Sorry, but driving safely before a storm ices the roads takes precedence for now.
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You drove for 72 hours straight? Damn
 
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