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Aussies Blow The Lid Off Boston Firecracker Fraud

Babe, can you take us step by step to the truth you know about the Boston Marathon firecracker incident?

Like, layout what we've been told. What parts of that are a fabrication. How we know for certain it's a fabrication.

Then, most importantly, what the truth is and how we know for certain that is the truth and not just conjecture filling the void left by the fact that what we've been told is false.

That's why I call it "because we don't know what happened we know exactly what happened" which is the basis of every conspiracy theory I've ever looked into. They shock you with some seemingly inconsistent fact regarding what we've been told (upright water bottles) and from there they reverse construct a set of "facts" that fit the chain of events and then provide a "boom! this is what happened" narrative. The problem I have with that is that it is very easy to invent any number of alternatives to explain an event, but conspiracy theorists seem to think that because their favorite story is so clever and fits the events so well (which again, it's easy to have a series of events laid before you and invent a story that fits) that that in and of itself establishes fact, when it does no such thing.

So here's where I'm at.

Conspiracy deniers like George Bush and President Obama like to throw out the "Conspriracy Theorist" epithet with no factual basis whatsoever ever offered to answer the "issues" asserted by those who suspect something foul at play.

Turning the burden of proof around and asking "Conspiracy Theorists" for more information, or for some supporting facts, is better than just hooting and howling at people who don't think the way you do.

When I confront stuff I don't know, and probably am incapable of evaluating because of my being far removed from the scene and having nothing but marginal "news" reports, and wild assertions of evil wrongdoing, I first of all will recognize those handicaps on my thinking. I might listen to both sides and think a little, but I am a long, long, very long way from actually knowing it all. . . .

I listen to Alex Jones sometimes, and to Wells' "Caravan to Midnight" sometimes, mostly when I'm driving in the hinterlands with only one or two talk shows available by radio, but I sorta like these guys. . . . but I do see some problems with the way they deal with the issues, or their lack of critical skills for moderating their interpretation of things.

I grew up the youngest brother to a John Birch Society member, and I had a Blue Book in my possession when I was not yet a teenager. I read some things written by Cleon Skousen, and sometimes I listen to Joel Skousen, too. I have listened to some pretty good intellectual-oriented persons who have come out of the JBS after writing articles for them, like William Norman Griggs. . . . In general, I give them about the same level of credibility as Lyndon LaRouche, a socialist sort who can get some attention from the likes of Putin, Mexico's hierarchal head, and some Chinese commies.

Meanwhile, I am aware of actually being not-so-distantly related to the likes of Maurice Strong, and I actually know some folks in the CFR and in the UN international level of big wigs, particular one international union official. I was once invited to join one of those international organizations.

So, Game, you are just wrong if you equate my world view with that of Wells or his guests on his talk show. Whatever we may think of the world or world events, it is my opinion that we don't know or understand things very well. There certainly are all kinds of people working some angle in world events, trying to swing things one way or another. . . .

However, in reviewing the News footage in the OP link, I have found multiple sources of the actual news broadcasts, and have not found anything altered by the "conspiracy theorists", yet. One possible mistake in their claims is the "One Ambulance" assertion, because I think I saw one picture showing two ambulances parked side by side near the site of the first explosion. We have virtually no, if not actually no, photography from the site the second blast.

It appears to me to be a fact that there were only about 9 or maybe 7 people on the ground at the first blast site, and that some folks walked into the area and laid down after the blast, with no torn clothing or visible wounds, only to be filmed a few minutes later with torn clothing and "blood" splatters.

I could go on, but I have no better information than news reports and the conjectures of "conspiracy theorists", but the visible facts hold up. The Aussies totally deconstruct the common belief of those who listened to the news and did not carefully study the actual news footage.

"Reasonable" opinions are the ones that actually incorporate reality into the scheme of things. That requires actually looking at the news footage and comparing the claims of those interviewed on the news reports. Of course, a lot of people just go along with some superficial impressions of things, and want to believe a coherent theory that conforms to their experience or expectations.

It is normal human psychology to interpret any information in a manner consistent with established belief and expectations. That is the psychology 101 or 10R part about all this. It is also normal for those who are for any reason looking for an alternative interpretation to push the "facts" their way.

It just seems to me to be more reasonable to look at available facts and place your established assumptions on the question block sometimes.

If our world is run by a coherent "conspiracy", however, it is not yet decided whether American and British oligarchs are going to achieve worldwide power. I sorta think almost everyone, even American rednecks, will have some different aims. Amazing when socialists like Lyndon LaRouche, a lot of radical leftists, and American rednecks. . . . and a lot of non-radical Moslems/arabs all agree on what the Brit/Am oligarchs are doing in the Middle East.

The first time I recognized that phenomenon was in 1970, in the Philippines, when I was talking politics with communist rebels. . . . who were saying all the same things my JBS sister had told me. . . . .

All those people can't be all that wrong. . . . . .

But you won't hear about it listening to news sources owned by our oligarchs. . . .
 
As soon as I've got six hours to blow, I'll give your post a read. Until then, don't you go changin'.
 
So just trying to read that I think my brain exploded. Anywho, what I got out of it is no one knows what the **** is going on except the big wigs in the Illuminati. Is that correct? They are the ones orchestrating all this, not the president or CIA ... but the big banks and such.
 
I put people who talk like you on my list of suspected dupes who can be/have been targeted by rogue personnel of government psy-op/media/mass mesmerization operations. Anyone who can't manage his anger can be roped into carrying a bomb somewhere for some reason, like say a Boston sidewalk during a race, where there's sure to be a crowd. . . .

This was not appreciated. I speak my mind however I please.
 
As soon as I've got six hours to blow, I'll give your post a read. Until then, don't you go changin'.

six hours?

ya know, bro. . . .

when I was in college I was dating a girl who wanted to be a librarian, who got me to take a course on speed reading.

The thesis of the course was that people could skim over material looking for key words and could then form a comprehending notion of what was being written. She could "read" a book in a minute, and she knew everything she knew before she started, and her experience prying the covers over and flipping pages gave her the delusion of being proven right in everything she believed already.

I might have my doubts about your interest in this study, but I know it takes time to raise questions and get relevant new information which would justify changing an opinion. And I doubt even Siro would do that on this question. . . .

take whatever time you need, if you care to.
 
Alright Babraham Lincoln, I'm actually going to watch that stupid video in your OP. Not because I think it'll be interesting or informative, but mostly because my wife and kids are out of town and I'm bored as ****. If I survive the entire flick, I'll post my thoughts.
 
Right off the bat, I think this movie has merit based solely on the guys last name. We're probably related.
 
Alright Babraham Lincoln, I'm actually going to watch that stupid video in your OP. Not because I think it'll be interesting or informative, but mostly because my wife and kids are out of town and I'm bored as ****. If I survive the entire flick, I'll post my thoughts.


OK, folks. . . . here's my disclaimer. . . . John B. Wells, not to be confused with EJ Wells by any means, holds a lot of opinions I for good reasons disagree with. I mean, I've heard the folks saying they've been detecting Barium and Aluminum in spidery silky threads found in the grass in California, a few days after the criss-cross jet trails in the sky. . . . allegedly being sprayed from all kinds of jets to induce changes in weather patterns. . . . changing the heat equation by reflecting more sunlight from the atmosphere, and such, allegedly poisoning planet earth with neurotoxins meant to dumb us down, if possible.

But John B. Wells is a dunce on chemistry, biochemistry, and even the rudiments of science, and the blokes with their handheld elemental analyzers have no clue about good chemical analysis. I've worked with salts of Barium and Aluminum, and probably everything allegedly being sprayed, and all I've got to say is those dumbass global warming fearmongers who think they need to spray stuff to change our weather and cool our planet are as stupid as John B. Wells, and their work is as harmless as it is ineffective. . . .

So, anyway, feel free to skip the first 22 min. and thirty seconds of the OP link. . . . . the pics of the Boston Marathon Bombing begin at that point.

Gameface has a legitimate point in regard to the great leaps some folks take to connect marginal information with massive theories of reality, if they can, in support of their existing opinions.

The question I am looking at is the actual news broadcast footage, mainly from bomb #1. I have gone to the media sources to see if the stuff in the link is legit, I mean not altered somehow to create a false story line. . . . . So far I haven't seen anything like that, just maybe a couple of points of fact that may have been missed by the Aussies.

I do theorize that if there was a hoax, it would likely fall into the class of an exercise in mass psychology, commonly called a political psy-op conducted by some government agency, probably by a handful of rogue personnel with some cash flow from some politically-motivated big wheel or two. Likely, the "informed personnel" who could tell the whole story, would be less than three persons, all of which know they could be thrown in jail on some highly leveraged blackmail, and disgraced publicly for being involved in a child prostitution ring or somesuch, with some murder charge attached. . . . good for a death penalty, or merely privately disposed of by a hired gun.

Every one else is doing a paid job. Some might be criminals from the jails who were given a chance to "earn" their liberty. . . . on conditions, who could not really tell the story except that they were paid, and they don't want to talk because they're afraid.

The list of total participants has gotta be less than 150, including college students paid to run in the marathon, or at least the last half mile of it. . . .

I figure the managers of the operation could smear anyone who tried to rat them out enough to make it unlikely anyone would listen, and they have some connections who can ensure it wouldn't get media coverage if they did talk.

The general plan of these operations was published in the middle ages by a prince Machiavelli, and has been later modified by political operators of various persuasions.

One movie that has profoundly influenced my general political theory of political operatives dealt with a British minister in the service of the Queen who went to the Atlantic island, St. Helen's, where Napoleon was incarcerated, with a plan to get Napoleon back into business enough to keep England's foe's fighting one another for a while. . . I think it was "Eagle In A Cage"

One question I have is whether some Russian operatives might have engineered this event to turn American opinion against the Chechens. . . . another is whether the Israeli's might have needed to pump up American sentiment against terrorists. . . . lots of remote possibilities. . . . I really know nothing about who might have wanted to run a game on the Marathon.

The news footage does bear some scrutiny. . . . .
 
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I wish you would've told me to skip the first twenty minutes before I watched the first twenty minutes.

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I wish you would've told me to skip the first twenty minutes before I watched the first twenty minutes.

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Sorry bro. . . .

but you gotta admit it really sets the mood for the particular interpretations offered of the news feed.

I can't watch the "news" anymore without wondering what's really happening, why they're trying to tell us stuff, and what they're leaving out. . . . .generously assuming there's some intelligent folks behind it all working on some particular goals. . . .

but mostly I just wonder how stupid we can be. . . . . especially the talking heads on the tube.

Can you imagine TV "journalists" blowing off the logic of a double amputee sitting upright for several minutes, then being jauntily rolled down a bumpy street in a wheel chair, not bleeding at all?

A man with a clean American flag going behind a bleacher across the street, acting sorta mysterious for a couple of minutes, and coming back across the street with bloodied flag. . . . several minutes after the explosion. . . . to go attend to the double amputee, lift him into a wheelchair to race him in front of the TV cameras, and later telling the reporters that he was right by the amputee when the dude lost his legs, and attended to him immediately. . . .????????

I've seen some explosions set on purpose. . . . twenty pounds of explosive force. . . . would not have left a steel rail unbent just four feet away. . . . would not have left the benches essentially intact. . . . and why did those same benches after five minutes of being filmed decided to just bust up by themselves. . . .???????

This has gotta be the craziest news story I've ever seen. . . .

How could TV cameramen and newsroom editors miss all that????

I don't know a damn thing about that kind of stupidity. Somebody please explain it to me. . . . .
 
I stopped watching at about the 18 minute mark. I really do enjoy conspiracy theory's, shows, and radio programs, but mostly for pure entertainment. That Wells guy is so over-the-top full of himself it was painful to watch.

So I stopped.

Sorry babe, this thread will go down as your biggest "wtf" ever, and that's really saying something.
 
I stopped watching at about the 18 minute mark. I really do enjoy conspiracy theory's, shows, and radio programs, but mostly for pure entertainment. That Wells guy is so over-the-top full of himself it was painful to watch.

So I stopped.

Sorry babe, this thread will go down as your biggest "wtf" ever, and that's really saying something.

yah. . . .

I was wondering why he had to do the personal attacks on Bill Gates, George Soros, Warren Buffet, and such. I'm sure it resonates well with some peasants who cropshare under their castles a few pennies on the dollar of what their work is worth, but these guys are johnny-come-latlies to the folks who know they are "The Right People". Yes that's a book on my shelf, written in the early sixties. Quite a commentary on American elitism. But we are newcomers to the Brits and some Europeans, newcomers and stupid to boot.

The correct "Conspiracy Theory" would look like a school of sharks eying one another with cannibalistic schemes.

Not too different from some hoods on the street.

Still interests me to discredit the intelligence of the nightly news talking heads. . . . . and their script writers, and other slavish morons who sniff the wind to decide what's cool, and can't help themselves from following those winds to the nearest butt.

So, what should I expect in a sports forum?

I admit I have to hold my nose when I look at this, but the physiological facts of human blood, in regard to volume, bleeding rates when arteries are torn open in legs, the way a real victim would pass out and have practically no pulse until the arteries were clamped. . . . a loose tourniquet with a gap big enough for an arm like the one seen in this video would surely do nothing at all. . . .

This guy would be dead, and the "heros' who helped him would be pleading the Good Samaritan Law to keep their sofas under their butts and their TVs on, for sure. This is the worst picture of emergency medical care I can imagine. There's no trained EMT in the country who doesn't know this, but guess what, they might notice but for some reason they have sense to shut up. They could lose their jobs for being a mouth. No city officials will brook bad-mannered knowitall employees, who draw unwanted attention to their operations. . . .

So here's a shorter take on the gore. . . . .

https://educate-yourself.org/cn/bostonbombingdidyouthink20apr13.shtml
 
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I stopped watching at about the 18 minute mark. I really do enjoy conspiracy theory's, shows, and radio programs, but mostly for pure entertainment. That Wells guy is so over-the-top full of himself it was painful to watch.

So I stopped.

Sorry babe, this thread will go down as your biggest "wtf" ever, and that's really saying something.

you neglect a lot of possibilities in the universe. I'm not done yet.
 
<--- holding breath...please hurry

So, Game, did you see all the pics of dudes hanging out at the site of the first Boston Marathon "bomb" minutes before the blast? They all had this black baseball cap sorta hat, and black jackets. Some say they looked like off-duty Navy Seals. . . . or would that be Squid?

So anyway, I haven't gone through one percent of the stuff online about the Boston Marathon Bombing, either "Hoax" class, or "Debunker" class. I have found some responses to the theories of Alex Jones and John B. Wells, and PeeKay, disputing the facts, though.

Still waiting for anyone to bring some stuff in worth considering. . . . . .

well-adjusted happy people living their lives in well-protected little bubbles of day to day monotony with little to be concerned about but the kids, the spouse, the aging parents, the job, and a few fun sporty sorts of diversions. . .. well, let's say most people. . . . . just won't deal with a lot of stuff that looks or smells or seems to be regarded by others as unsettling of the operative assumptions of life. . . .

WE are free. . . . we are prospering. . . . we are progressing. . . . stuff is growing. . . . it's a good world with governments that we can influence. . . . that will protect us under some scheme of laws. . . . we can count on say a climate like what we've known, we can count on people around us, we can take pride in what we do. . . .life is good.

roll over, go back to sleep, dream on.

When I get another chance to sit down, maybe I'll have some comments on those "theories". Yah, there are occasional cases of "survivors" of explosions, amputees, or kids blown up by land mines or whatever, that you wouldn't think could have lived. Sometimes the body in shock will react in a way that shuts down bleeding somehow, nobody can explain.

My list of historical events I think were "staged" by Machiavellian sorts of schemers is pretty expansive. A Russian dude named Trotsky put out a handbook on how to operate in a targeted place to achieve an objective. The Brits studied all the Medieval classics and understood them pretty well. The world is overrun by little bands of dedicated "change agents", so many in number, so diverse in kind, so ubiquitous in distribution. . . . the only really reasonable theory of what's behind the news and world events. . . . is. . . . .

who could know.

What I find disappointing is the attitude of "who cares".

Well, I do.

Well, I sorta take it as more or less to be expected, for divergent reasons, that the folks who've come into this thread have taken the views they have. I sorta know you guys.
 
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So, Game, did you see all the pics of dudes hanging out at the site of the first Boston Marathon "bomb" minutes before the blast? They all had this black baseball cap sorta hat, and black jackets. Some say they looked like off-duty Navy Seals. . . . or would that be Squid?

So anyway, I haven't gone through one percent of the stuff online about the Boston Marathon Bombing, either "Hoax" class, or "Debunker" class. I have found some responses to the theories of Alex Jones and John B. Wells, and PeeKay, disputing the facts, though.

Still waiting for anyone to bring some stuff in worth considering. . . . . .

well-adjusted happy people living their lives in well-protected little bubbles of day to day monotony with little to be concerned about but the kids, the spouse, the aging parents, the job, and a few fun sporty sorts of diversions. . .. well, let's say most people. . . . . just won't deal with a lot of stuff that looks or smells or seems to be regarded by others as unsettling of the operative assumptions of life. . . .

WE are free. . . . we are prospering. . . . we are progressing. . . . stuff is growing. . . . it's a good world with governments that we can influence. . . . that will protect us under some scheme of laws. . . . we can count on say a climate like what we've known, we can count on people around us, we can take pride in what we do. . . .life is good.

roll over, go back to sleep, dream on.

When I get another chance to sit down, maybe I'll have some comments on those "theories". Yah, there are occasional cases of "survivors" of explosions, amputees, or kids blown up by land mines or whatever, that you wouldn't think could have lived. Sometimes the body in shock will react in a way that shuts down bleeding somehow, nobody can explain.

My list of historical events I think were "staged" by Machiavellian sorts of schemers is pretty expansive. A Russian dude named Trotsky put out a handbook on how to operate in a targeted place to achieve an objective. The Brits studied all the Medieval classics and understood them pretty well. The world is overrun by little bands of dedicated "change agents", so many in number, so diverse in kind, so ubiquitous in distribution. . . . the only really reasonable theory of what's behind the news and world events. . . . is. . . . .

who could know.

What I find disappointing is the attitude of "who cares".

Well, I do.

Well, I sorta take it as more or less to be expected, for divergent reasons, that the folks who've come into this thread have taken the views they have. I sorta know you guys.

I'd be interested in the pics of supposed Navy SEALS. A real SEAL looks different than a Hollywood SEAL and I could pick one out pretty quick.
 
Is babe real?

In a matter of speaking, yes. I had lunch with him. He's even weirder in person, and I liked him a lot more that way. If you have to drive across the country, he's the dude you want riding shotgun. You may have a dent in your head from all of the "what the fuuuuu" head scratching you'll do, but it'd be so worth it.
 
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