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Yeah Archie you're not doing yourself any favors here. The video is full of obviously racist tropes.

We don't have holidays in this country celebrating Maya or Aztec leaders so I'm not sure what your point is there. You're correct that it's all history, the problem is that the history of Christopher Columbus hasn't been taught in America. What I learned in school is basically a folk tale. He wasn't some great hero worth celebrating. He was a fool who raped and pillaged his way through the Caribbean, and didn't really "discover" ****.

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I don't believe in the idea that colonization is entirely, universally and vehemently bad. Being enlightened is entirely subjective. I'd imagine many have different opinions on it, and that's ok.
I wouldn't post that video to my social media accounts. Yes, I see how it's satire and I also see how it can come across as racist. I'm not trying to do myself any favors, Zombie.
You're quick to point out all the atrocities and bad history about Columbus, but why can one only look at that side of the coin? I was never taught in school many of the practices the Natives did that many consider barbaric and savage. It's history. Interesting ****.
Lastly, thank you Siro for actually having a conversation, dude. I appreciate it. :)
 
Archie Moses said:
I don't believe in the idea that colonization is entirely, universally and vehemently bad. Being enlightened is entirely subjective. I'd imagine many have different opinions on it, and that's ok.
I wouldn't post that video to my social media accounts. Yes, I see how it's satire and I also see how it can come across as racist. I'm not trying to do myself any favors, Zombie.
You're quick to point out all the atrocities and bad history about Columbus, but why can one only look at that side of the coin? I was never taught in school many of the practices the Natives did that many consider barbaric and savage. It's history. Interesting ****.
Lastly, thank you Siro for actually having a conversation, dude. I appreciate it. :)
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Great. So we agree it's not a joke nor satire. It is presenting a serious argument. And it is one many find bigoted.

If you don't, that's fine. But let's be honest about it.
 
Siro said:
Great. So we agree it's not a joke nor satire. It is presenting a serious argument. And it is one many find bigoted.

If you don't, that's fine. But let's be honest about it.
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The literal definition of satire disagrees with you.
Just because something is offensive and can be taken serious, does not mean it's not satire.
I mean, this right here is why guys like Milo Yianopolis are blowing up right now in popularity.
 
I'm still at a loss as to what exactly the video is supposed to be satirizing. This seems to be a case of schroedingers douche bag in action. Where someone presents something offensive and then if it gets a negative reaction declares it was just a joke, and those who got offended are the ones who need to check themselves.

I don't have a problem with teaching kids a more complete picture of what pre-colombian culture was like, warts and all when it's age appropriate of course.

And I'm "quick" to point out the atrocities committed by the conquerors because by and large I think we still have a far too romanticized idea of how this country came to be, and native people continue to suffer the consequences of it.

I also believe in the concept of not "punching down" so to speak. I'm a white guy who descended from pioneers, so I already benefit from the subjugation of America's native people. So when I see white people making "satirical" videos adding insult to injury I guess I just don't think it's ok.

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Well, I didn't make the video and I don't condone it. I have a hard time believing you don't see the satire in it though. Just because I can, it doesn't mean I like it, laugh at it, support it, etc.
 
Archie Moses said:
The literal definition of satire disagrees with you.
Just because something is offensive and can be taken serious, does not mean it's not satire.
I mean, this right here is why guys like Milo Yianopolis are blowing up right now in popularity.
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It's not a satire just because it is mocking someone. Had it been making fun of the argument mentioned above, then it would have been satire.

For example, if I said "Archie is the biggest ****ing idiot in this forum", it wouldn't be satire just because I'm mocking you. It would simply be me mocking you. Had I said "Archie is very well informed and intelligent", it would be satire, since I'm not actually making that argument.

This is really basic stuff.

Also, your buddy Milo has been marginalized and ostracized for daring to express an actually bold, but unpopular, opinion, as opposed to spouting braindead alt-right gibberish.
 
Siro said:
It's not a satire just because it is mocking someone. Had it been making fun of the argument mentioned above, then it would have been satire.

For example, if I said "Archie is the biggest ****ing idiot in this forum", it wouldn't be satire just because I'm mocking you. It would simply be me mocking you. Had I said "Archie is very well informed and intelligent", it would be satire, since I'm not actually making that argument.

This is really basic stuff.

Also, your buddy Milo has been marginalized and ostracized for daring to express an actually bold, but unpopular, opinion, as opposed to spouting braindead alt-right gibberish.
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Satire:
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

Nah, dude, you're wrong. Just because you are incapable of understanding something different than how you learned it, doesn't make it wrong. Satire is something beyond just the definition I copied and pasted too. It's diverse, complex and your examples are simple-minded and a slap to the face of wide range of satiric modes (three to be exact.)

Mentioning someone makes him my buddy now, eh?

Putting you on ignore now, dude. We'll just have to agree to disagree on many things. Would love to meet you in real life sometime. I'm not half as bad as you think I am. ;)

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I agree that video is Satire. Satire can just be mockery. That video makes a mockery of Native people as well as attempts to mock people who dislike Columbus. That is satire, just a ****ty form of it poorly done.

Both of Siro's examples could be considered satire. This video is similar to the first example.

The video is dumb and incorrect. Some issues are complex, especially things this old. It is odd that we celebrate Columbus day though. He was not a good person or very influential.
 
Archie Moses said:
Satire:
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

Nah, dude, you're wrong. Just because you are incapable of understanding something different than how you learned it, doesn't make it wrong. Satire is something beyond just the definition I copied and pasted too. It's diverse, complex and your examples are simple-minded and a slap to the face of wide range of satiric modes (three to be exact.)

Mentioning someone makes him my buddy now, eh?

Putting you on ignore now, dude. We'll just have to agree to disagree on many things. Would love to meet you in real life sometime. I'm not half as bad as you think I am. ;)

Hehepeepeecaca
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Did my joke upset you? Strange. Thought you were a lover of jokes. But maybe it's just jokes about genocide that you enjoy. /shrug

To clarify some things, I don't think you're a bad person, or a good person for that matter. I do think you're dumb as a rock, and I don't think you're capable of offering anything substantive to any discussion. So really, ignore me or don't. It's all the same.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I agree that video is Satire. Satire can just be mockery. That video makes a mockery of Native people as well as attempts to mock people who dislike Columbus. That is satire, just a ****ty form of it poorly done.

Both of Siro's examples could be considered satire. This video is similar to the first example.

The video is dumb and incorrect. Some issues are complex, especially things this old. It is odd that we celebrate Columbus day though. He was not a good person or very influential.
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Nah. Zombie is right. No satire without irony. Satire means you're mocking the stance you appear to represent. Not just making fun of something.
 
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