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Bin Laden is dead

what does that have to do with bin laden deserving a trail? or with his capture the events surrounding his death

No, I dont believe we should name a "trail" after Bin Laden. Also the difference between me and you is that I believe the Navy Seals judgement and you dont. They put themselves in harmes way and risked their lives for idiots like you. It was THEIR CHOICE TO SHOOT HIM, and for you to sit in your comfy home on your computer and question THEIR DECISION is pure BULL****!
 
Let's phrase it this way. If it turns out that the Seals burst into his room, and he was just standing there in his pajamas and they walked over to him, made him kneel down, and shot him in the head, would it make it any different to you?

Exactly, keep questioning the Navy Seals that risked their lives to protect our country. Sit in your safe little house on your computer and say you dont believe them. They decided and killed a man who was still planning to blow up trains and disease our water to kill people just like you.

I believe and trust the Navy Seals to make the correct judgments....and you dont. End of discussion.
 
No, I dont believe we should name a "trail" after Bin Laden. Also the difference between me and you is that I believe the Navy Seals judgement and you dont. They put themselves in harmes way and risked their lives for idiots like you. It was THEIR CHOICE TO SHOOT HIM, and for you to sit in your comfy home on your computer and question THEIR DECISION is pure BULL****!

never trust someone you dont know. wasnt it a couple of years back soldiers where abusing/raping/ killing. so you trust seal soldiers armed forces?
you may be the trusting type i aint
 
Bin Laden declared war on the US & in the US declared war on Al Queda & terrorism in turn. He wasn't a criminal per se. He was an enemy combatant. People shoot each other in war. He could have surrendered most likely. He didn't. He got a hole in the head.
 
So let's run down the new video evidence:

1. A video of Osama supposedly watching TV. No clear shot of the guy. Completely worthless.

2. Videos with no audio that are supposedly from 2010 that look exactly like the videos they released four years ago. No audio renders them completely worthless.

Regardless of what happened on 1 May 2011, isn't propaganda fun?
 
Let's phrase it this way. If it turns out that the Seals burst into his room, and he was just standing there in his pajamas and they walked over to him, made him kneel down, and shot him in the head, would it make it any different to you?

Exactly, keep questioning the Navy Seals that risked their lives to protect our country. Sit in your safe little house on your computer and say you dont believe them. They decided and killed a man who was still planning to blow up trains and disease our water to kill people just like you.

I believe and trust the Navy Seals to make the correct judgments....and you dont. End of discussion.

Why won't you answer the question?

I already said I believe the white house when they said the Seals had no choice but to shoot OBL. I believe that is how it went down and I already said that. But why can you not for even one second consider the possibility that maybe it could have been different? What are you afraid of?
 
No, I dont believe we should name a "trail" after Bin Laden. Also the difference between me and you is that I believe the Navy Seals judgement and you dont. They put themselves in harmes way and risked their lives for idiots like you. It was THEIR CHOICE TO SHOOT HIM, and for you to sit in your comfy home on your computer and question THEIR DECISION is pure BULL****!

It is far from idiocy to consider that other options may have been better choices. The idiots are the ones who accept everything blindly and are completely unwilling to challenge their own, and our collective, assumptions.

I am sure glad the "idiots" after the second world war were willing to question what had happened and determine what was right and wrong in that conflict and were willing to write treaties that would make the world, even in times of war, a more civilized place.
 
It is far from idiocy to consider that other options may have been better choices. The idiots are the ones who accept everything blindly and are completely unwilling to challenge their own, and our collective, assumptions.

You need to do your homework. They chose the best option. For months the plan was to bomb the compound from above. It wasnt until they found out that children were on the compound that they changed that plan to put military actually on the ground.

Also my brother is an Interrogator in Afgahnistan. I trust all military. Sure a handful have made mistakes but those are extremely rare. If you dont trust our Military, especially that unit that is literally the best of the best. Well then I cant help you. How can you judge someone that risks their lives to protect our country? In the same situation Im sure I would have shot a terrorist that made any type of movement besides falling to the ground with his hands above his head.
 
You need to do your homework. They chose the best option. For months the plan was to bomb the compound from above. It wasnt until they found out that children were on the compound that they changed that plan to put military actually on the ground.

Also my brother is an Interrogator in Afgahnistan. I trust all military. Sure a handful have made mistakes but those are extremely rare. If you dont trust our Military, especially that unit that is literally the best of the best. Well then I cant help you. How can you judge someone that risks their lives to protect our country? In the same situation Im sure I would have shot a terrorist that made any type of movement besides falling to the ground with his hands above his head.

So I am confused. You are saying that we should accept everything blindly and never challenge our assumptions?

Oh and what homework, when the official story is still so sketchy and there is still talks of investigation? How can there be any homework? It is not "officially" settled yet.

And you keep ignoring this and going back to it as if I never said it, instead of just answering the questions posed, so I will say it big this time, for like the 4th time:

I BELIEVE THE REPORTS WE HAVE HAD SO FAR. I BELIEVE THAT THE SEALS ACTED IN THE ONLY MANNER POSSIBLE EITHER DUE TO OBL'S RESISTANCE OR OUTRIGHT ATTACK ON THEM. I TRUST THEY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION.

By no stretch does it mean I completely rule out the possibility that it could have been handled differently. I think the investigations will provide details that what they did fit within the Geneva Convention and was their only course of action. That does not mean they do not need to investigate. I still think it is important to really understand what happened and why.

Also have you read anything at all about either of the World Wars, or Korea, or Vietnam? A handful of mistakes? I guess it depends on your definition of handful.

I also have family members in the military, and I am a member of the Patriot Guard Riders. I respect all that they do and hold our military in the highest esteem. But I am nowhere near gullible or naive enough to believe that in our entire military history there have only been a "handful of mistakes". My brother-in-law was on the ground in Tikrit and Baghdad in the first days of the invasion. He has told me a few stories of soldiers shooting civilians who obviously posed no threat, on accident or on purpose, that were just kind of ignored. It bugged him and he reported it but mostly they didn't do anything. It was war after all. He didn't feel it made it right, but he also still supported his leaders.

But you cannot seriously believe that in a war there are no emotions or mistakes or misjudgements that happen with dire outcomes. On an individual level and larger scale. Of course they minimize these mistakes, train to make sure they handle things correctly, and execute incredibly well in very difficult circumstance. For all the possibility of mistakes there are incredibly few. But if there really were just a handful of mistakes ever made by the military there would have been no need for the Geneva Convention. There would be no discussions along these lines at all.

Read the book that was brought up earlier "Fiasco". It details mistakes made on a very large scale, mistakes in planning, tactics, strategy, all that caused far more casualties and a far longer time-line for the war than may have been possible without these mistakes.

And Marcus answered the question and I respect his honesty. For him the line between valid military action and murder is different than it is for me (and different than the Geneva Convention), but he was open about it. How about you? Would you be perfectly happy to find out the Seals took OBL in his jammies, unarmed, and forced him to kneel down while they shot him in the head? Is that ok by you?
 
You keep comparing the capture of Bin Laden to other wars. We were fighting a terrorist group not a country. We were hunting down one person. Again, what would your response be if Bin Laden would have died in the bombings back in 2001?
 
You keep comparing the capture of Bin Laden to other wars. We were fighting a terrorist group not a country. We were hunting down one person. Again, what would your response be if Bin Laden would have died in the bombings back in 2001?

I already answered all that if you actually read my responses. I responded to all of those issues. And I did not compare it to other wars in my last post, I answered your assertion about the military making mistakes. You brought it up, I responded to it.

So I have answered all of your assertions, why won't you answer my question?

Would you be perfectly happy to find out the Seals took OBL in his jammies, unarmed, and forced him to kneel down while they shot him in the head? Is that ok by you?
 
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