Bismack Biyombo - Full Scouting Report

[Deleted member 365]

What kind of player do you expect him to be? I've heard some compare him to Ben Wallace or Ibaka. To me, if he could have just a Joel Anthony like impact that would be very optimistic considering how short and raw he is....

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He is definitely more Wallace than Ibaka. Ibaka has a decent midrange jumper. I doubt Bismack will ever develop much offense.

 

[Deleted member 365]

He is definitely more Wallace than Ibaka. Ibaka has a decent midrange jumper. I doubt Bismack will ever develop much offense.

Exactly.

Which is worrisome to me...

Anthony couldn't even play the last few games against the mavs because he was such a liability offensively. While everyone is creaming their pants with the idea of a 6'9" center (which is concerning to me), everyone is forgetting the liability he'll bring offensively. Remember how frustrating our offense became with guys like AK and Brewer being left alone? Anyone remember Ostertag?

He may block/alter 3 maybe 5 shots a game.

But is that worth the 40-50+ possessions per game that he'll be a liability offensively? Do we have the shooters to make up for him? What about the post players? Realistically, how long must we wait to get some real production out of this kid? He's considered a project. Are jazz fans really patient enough to probably miss out on the playoffs again next year in order to develop their young talent?

And honestly, how young are we going to go? Perhaps... If anything... The Jazz might want to consider getting older just a little bit. Having a team of rookies and 2nd year players probably isn't the best recipe for success...

Just saying.

 

[Twin Towers]

Update:
Dream Draft would be......

Trade the 3rd pick and 12th pick and Raja Bell for 2nd pick and 20th pick and Webster
2nd - Draft Derrick Williams
Trade Millsap for 6th or 5th pick. Draft Biyombo 6th
20th - Draft Reggie Jackson.

Harris - Reggie Jackson(20th) - Watson
Hayward - Miles
Williams(2nd) - Webster - Evans
Favors - Biyombo(6th)
Jefferson - Biyombo(6th) - Okur - Fesenko

 

[Qman]

What kind of player do you expect him to be? I've heard some compare him to Ben Wallace or Ibaka. To me, if he could have just a Joel Anthony like impact that would be very optimistic considering how short and raw he is....

You realize of course that his standing reach is same of Greg Oden. Is Greg Oden an undersized center? His standing reach is one inch shorter than Shaq's?

 

[Deleted member 365]

You realize of course that his standing reach is same of Greg Oden. Is Greg Oden an undersized center? His standing reach is one inch shorter than Shaq's?

Cool story.

Also been told how great of a reach Boozer and Millsap have. That doesn't take away that they're still short and are very undersized on the Basketball court.

Having a good reach is one thing. But it doesn't make up for the inches lost in height. The two work together.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Boozer's standing reach is 9'1". Millsap's is 8'9". Notice the difference? Nice job making the point about how much more important standing reach/wingspan is than the elevation of the top of a player's head.

 

[Fishsticks]

Inches in height does affect ones offensive ability. I think that is alwaus overlooked when looking at reach. That said i look at bb as a 20 minute a game defensive nightmare. Thats what we need.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Inches in height does affect ones offensive ability. I think that is alwaus overlooked when looking at reach. That said i look at bb as a 20 minute a game defensive nightmare. Thats what we need.

That fact is anything but overlooked. No other player stat gets nearly as much attention as height.

 

[BENTLEY]

For me, getting Bismak is priority one in this draft. I'd like to see the Jazz draft Kanter in the three spot and then trade with someone in the 5 to 9 range to pick up Biyombo and an asset. If they do this I'm even on board if they take Jimmer at 12. In fact, I'll enjoy watching opposing guards run past Ferdetter only to come face to palm with Smack.

This.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Boozer's standing reach is 9'1". Millsap's is 8'9". Notice the difference? Nice job making the point about how much more important standing reach/wingspan is than the elevation of the top of a player's head.

I do notice the difference. And both have about the same height and get stuffed a lot offensively and struggle defensively.

Thanks for making my case for me!

One's height or standing reach cannot be used exclusively, but mutually. Ideally you want someone with good size and reach (like Kanter). IMO, Kanter is the superior prospect both from a physical and a mental perspective (Kanter's skill level right now is probably far greater than Biyombo will have in his entire career).

If you feel that Biyombo's reach makes up for his height, then fine. If you feel like Biyombo can play center for the Utah Jazz and are not at least concerned with his lack of height (and basketball skills), then I feel we're just going to agree to disagree.

I'm not anti-Biyombo. I just find some things concerning to me....

Think the Jazz would ever draft both Kanter at the 3 and Biyombo at the 12? Or will they go with a guard at one of those?

In other words, if the Jazz draft Kanter @ the 3, must they go for a guard at the 12? What happens if the best prospects at #12 are guys like Biyombo or Mont?

 

[Fishsticks]

That fact is anything but overlooked. No other player stat gets nearly as much attention as height.

What i am saying is many argue you dont block shots with your head, but you do use it to look at the hoop.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

What kind of player do you expect him to be? I've heard some compare him to Ben Wallace or Ibaka. To me, if he could have just a Joel Anthony like impact that would be very optimistic considering how short and raw he is....

I don't get the Wallace love. Wallace was good for a couple of years during Detroit's playoff run. He's done nothing before or since. In his whole career, he's had how many truly productive seasons? Once outside of Detroit's system, his offensive deficiencies have been glaring and he's been a non-factor everywhere else.

I repeat what I've said before, Biyombo is intriguing as a late lottery pick but too big a risk for anything beyond that. He's a project and has a very high likelihood of being a bust also. He has no offensive game and is as raw as they come. I'm not ready to drink the koolaid on this guy and, frankly, I hope the Jazz front office isn't either. I hate to be the wet blanket here, but the gushing over this guy is really over the top.

 

[NUMBERICA]

9' 1.5" standing reach > 9' 4" standing reach. Got it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't get the Wallace love. Wallace was good for a couple of years during Detroit's playoff run. He's done nothing before or since. In his whole career, he's had how many truly productive seasons? Once outside of Detroit's system, his offensive deficiencies have been glaring and he's been a non-factor everywhere else.

I repeat what I've said before, Biyombo is intriguing as a late lottery pick but too big a risk for anything beyond that. He's a project and has a very high likelihood of being a bust also. He has no offensive game and is as raw as they come. I'm not ready to drink the koolaid on this guy and, frankly, I hope the Jazz front office isn't either. I hate to be the wet blanket here, but the gushing over this guy is really over the top.

Maybe, but Wallace was a huge key when he was good. I think he has battled various injuries since his golden days too.

 

[billyshelby]

I don't get the Wallace love. Wallace was good for a couple of years during Detroit's playoff run. He's done nothing before or since. In his whole career, he's had how many truly productive seasons? Once outside of Detroit's system, his offensive deficiencies have been glaring and he's been a non-factor everywhere else.

I repeat what I've said before, Biyombo is intriguing as a late lottery pick but too big a risk for anything beyond that. He's a project and has a very high likelihood of being a bust also. He has no offensive game and is as raw as they come. I'm not ready to drink the koolaid on this guy and, frankly, I hope the Jazz front office isn't either. I hate to be the wet blanket here, but the gushing over this guy is really over the top.

You don't get the love for a guy who was the Defensive Player of the Year 4 times and All NBA Defense 6 times?

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't get the Wallace love. Wallace was good for a couple of years during Detroit's playoff run. He's done nothing before or since. In his whole career, he's had how many truly productive seasons? Once outside of Detroit's system, his offensive deficiencies have been glaring and he's been a non-factor everywhere else.

I repeat what I've said before, Biyombo is intriguing as a late lottery pick but too big a risk for anything beyond that. He's a project and has a very high likelihood of being a bust also. He has no offensive game and is as raw as they come. I'm not ready to drink the koolaid on this guy and, frankly, I hope the Jazz front office isn't either. I hate to be the wet blanket here, but the gushing over this guy is really over the top.

You don't get it? 4 time DPOY (tied with Mutombo for most all-time), 4 time all-star, 3 time All-NBA second team, two time third All-NBA third team, 5 time All-Defensive first team, 1 time All-Defensive second team. And of course NBA champion (nearly twice, taking the Spurs to 7-games). For at least 6 years, he was massive impact-player.

Wallace didn't start young, either. Wallace was 22 before he touched an NBA court. He was 24 before he started playing significant minutes. He was 26 before he played for the Pistons. He was 31 when he signed his Bulls contract and even though that was clearly his tipping point he still got defensive second team on 10 rpg and 2 bpg. He's nearly 37 now and even though he's clearly showing his age, he's still been a starter for the last two years.

If you can get a DPOY in this draft especially, you have to do it. He'll be Joel Anthony at worst. Besides, IF he's Ben Wallace with 4-5 more years of that kind of productivity, you're looking at a first-ballot HOF-er.

 

[Twin Towers]

You don't get it? 4 time DPOY (tied with Mutombo for most all-time), 4 time all-star, 3 time All-NBA second team, two time third All-NBA third team, 5 time All-Defensive first team, 1 time All-Defensive second team. And of course NBA champion (nearly twice, taking the Spurs to 7-games). For at least 6 years, he was massive impact-player.

Wallace didn't start young, either. Wallace was 22 before he touched an NBA court. He was 24 before he started playing significant minutes. He was 26 before he played for the Pistons. He was 31 when he signed his Bulls contract and even though that was clearly his tipping point he still got defensive second team on 10 rpg and 2 bpg. He's nearly 37 now and even though he's clearly showing his age, he's still been a starter for the last two years.

If you can get a DPOY in this draft especially, you have to do it. He'll be Joel Anthony at worst. Besides, IF he's Ben Wallace with 4-5 more years of that kind of productivity, you're looking at a first-ballot HOF-er.

I agree. They wouldn't even got past the 2nd round without Wallace. He was he engine to that team. I've never seen a guy with Wallaces size actually clog the paint. He was very athletic and long and very strong. He played better defense on Shaq than anyone I saw.
But the funny thing is I see more offensive ability in Biyombo than Wallace had. I think Biyombo can score a lot easier than Wallace did if he is under the hoop. I also think Biyombo has some post moves in comparison. I think Biyombo could easily average 12 points per game and 12 rebounds per game and 3 blocks when he has fully developed.

I want to trade up 1 spot to get Derrick Williams and trade Millsap for the 6th pick and get Biyombo. Throw in CJ Miles if we need to.
In 2 years when Jefferson's contract is up Favors will be a dominate force on offense than we will be able to play Biyombo and Favors together. Let Jefferson walk. Let Harris walk after 2 years.

Reggie Jackson
Hayward
Derrick Williams
Favors
Biyombo

That is my dream core for the Jazz after the draft. But its wishful thinking.

 

[Shaggy]

Exactly.

Which is worrisome to me...

Anthony couldn't even play the last few games against the mavs because he was such a liability offensively. While everyone is creaming their pants with the idea of a 6'9" center (which is concerning to me), everyone is forgetting the liability he'll bring offensively. Remember how frustrating our offense became with guys like AK and Brewer being left alone? Anyone remember Ostertag?

He may block/alter 3 maybe 5 shots a game.

But is that worth the 40-50+ possessions per game that he'll be a liability offensively? Do we have the shooters to make up for him? What about the post players? Realistically, how long must we wait to get some real production out of this kid? He's considered a project. Are jazz fans really patient enough to probably miss out on the playoffs again next year in order to develop their young talent?

And honestly, how young are we going to go? Perhaps... If anything... The Jazz might want to consider getting older just a little bit. Having a team of rookies and 2nd year players probably isn't the best recipe for success...

Just saying.

I'm ShaggyReAL and I approve of this message.

Amen.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I agree. They wouldn't even got past the 2nd round without Wallace. He was he engine to that team. I've never seen a guy with Wallaces size actually clog the paint. He was very athletic and long and very strong. He played better defense on Shaq than anyone I saw.
But the funny thing is I see more offensive ability in Biyombo than Wallace had. I think Biyombo can score a lot easier than Wallace did if he is under the hoop. I also think Biyombo has some post moves in comparison. I think Biyombo could easily average 12 points per game and 12 rebounds per game and 3 blocks when he has fully developed.

I want to trade up 1 spot to get Derrick Williams and trade Millsap for the 6th pick and get Biyombo. Throw in CJ Miles if we need to.
In 2 years when Jefferson's contract is up Favors will be a dominate force on offense than we will be able to play Biyombo and Favors together. Let Jefferson walk. Let Harris walk after 2 years.

Reggie Jackson
Hayward
Derrick Williams
Favors
Biyombo

That is my dream core for the Jazz after the draft. But its wishful thinking.

Ok, it looks like I'm wrong on Wallace.

Mea culpa.

I'm still not sold on Biyombo, however, and I still think many of you are grossly overhyping him.

BUT, ya never really know, do ya?