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PrinceJL said:
Yes, Chandler will be in the running for comeback player of the year. He's only on the books for 1 year (vs 4yr/ 28M) & I think its financially irresponsible taking back contracts that extend past DWill's contract. See how good Chandler was w/ Chris Paul & while healthy. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Gortat but not if we have to take back additional long contracts. I'm also on the record with saying Gortat is just a more polished version of Fes.
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He hasn't been healthy in 2 years. The Thunder were desperate for a Center and they turned him down for nothing. He has major foot problems. The asthma thing is over blown. But he has had constant foot problems. And I don't see how it magically is fixed when it was a constant problem for 2 years.

If it was the Chandler before the Chronic foot problems than I would agree with you. But paying more for the luxury tax for one year and for somebody who probably won't resign. And a guy who might only be 27 but he has a lot of mileage on him.

Its not hard to put up 11 points 10 rebounds and 2 blocks. And Gortat can do the same in terms of stats and he is a bargain at that price in comparison to the rest of the league. And who cares if a contract goes longer than D-Will's? Why does that matter? Unless max player or close to. That doesn't make sense. Its not like we need to clear cap space to sign 2 big free agents.
 
theNBAnerd said:
pinch-hitting for my brother here. if he becomes BYC (starting salary of 15.189M or higher), then his BYC figure is what matters TO THE JAZZ... but as kenwood pointed out, the other team (orlando in this case) still has to do the math on their end based on his ACTUAL starting salary.

but this is not as big an obstacle with higher salary players because of the 125% + 100K window. it's a bigger deal when, say, a minimum salary guy sign for 5M. in that case, team A has to count him at 2.5M and can take back a maximum of 3.225M, but team B has to count him at the full 5M and must send away a minimum of 3.92M. there is no overlap in the range the two teams use to calculate, so they either need an under-the-cap team to broker a 3-way deal, or they need to include other players to bring the two ranges closer.

in boozer's case, there IS an overlap. even if boozer became a BYC, the jazz could still take back as much as 15.92M. and if the other team was sending us 15.92M, they could afford to give boozer a salary up to the max just using the 125% +100K rule. got it?

SHORT version - BYC status won't REALLY matter for boozer, but it matters immensely for players getting a huge raise because they only count on their previous team's end of the trade for 50% of their new salary.
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Thanks for the clarification. In addition to what you wrote, I had to read #77 of Coon about 700 times for it to really sink in. But I got it. For practical purposes, this doesn't help us much. My assumption is the Jazz only want a small return on Boozer with a Cap Space team in an S&T, but would have to be wowed to to work an S&T with an Over The Cap team. They could still do the latter, but more likely a third team to eat some of the salary would probably be a requirement for us.
 
Not sure if it's been proposed but Chandler for Okur makes a little sense imo. For Charlotte, Okur could reunite with Brown and is cheaper this year by 3.3M and would be an expiring next summer. For us, we'd get a presence in the middle whose contract expires. While it costs 6.6M this year (LT), we'd save overall since he'd be off the books next season.

Edit: Obviously Okur would have to get healthy for this to make sense for Charlotte.
 
billyshelby said:
For practical purposes, this doesn't help us much. My assumption is the Jazz only want a small return on Boozer with a Cap Space team in an S&T, but would have to be wowed to to work an S&T with an Over The Cap team.
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exactly. a S&T most benefits the jazz if they are dealing with a team that has cap space and can send back cheap assets. but for those teams, BYC wouldn't even matter because you don't need an exception to trade small $ for big $ when you are under the cap.

all this renders the whole BYC discussion as all but completely useless. there is only a small chance BYC will be an issue at all, and even if it is, it will be absolutely workable.
 
The problem is that most teams under the cap at this stage can just sign Boozer outright if they want. Trading with a team over the cap seems to me to be the only thing that makes any real sense (unless NJ wants to dump Humphries with another asset to get more cap room or Miami dumping Beasley for a similar purpose).
 
NUMBERICA said:
The problem is that most teams under the cap at this stage can just sign Boozer outright if they want. Trading with a team over the cap seems to me to be the only thing that makes any real sense (unless NJ wants to dump Humphries with another asset to get more cap room or Miami dumping Beasley for a similar purpose).
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Right, but teams under the cap still want to maximize their Cap Space. Signing Boozer outright dents them at 15ish. Signing Boozer while giving back a redundant asset can save them money they can put toward another player they need. Additionally, if Booze has even two teams vying for his services, that 6th year could actually come into play. And Under The Cap teams give the Jazz the opportunity to take back only what they want. But if they can find a package they like with an Over The Cap team, that's definitely a way to go as well.
 
The Thriller said:
I think you received the wrong impression. I have never once suggested we wait for the contracts to be signed before we speculate. I've merely suggested that we wait for Lebron to be signed. Otherwise, I think it's premature speculation. IMO, if we are to speculate we need to have just a little shred of evidence or an idea as to why player x is interested in team y. Instead, we're seeing a bunch of players waiting to see what one player does.

Since this is subjective you're certainly welcome to have a different opinion. This is just my opinion. Until, we know anything more than a bunch of free agents with a bunch of teams with money waiting to see where ONE player goes, I think it's pretty worthless to even begin to guess or speculate where anyone is going. Under normal circumstances right now would be the time to speculate. We'd be able to speculate that Boozer would go to NY because of *insert whatever*. However, every single notable free agent out there is sitting around waiting for Lebron's decision. Have we ever seen a free agency period like this? I sure haven't, not in any sport, ever. I think this adds an element that changes everything.

Again, subjective, we're splitting hairs here, feel free to argue.
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I can't wait until the Lebron announcement tonight so that we can finally begin to speculate on where Boozer might go. Thoughts?
 
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