Boozer leaving = how many losses?
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gregbroncs
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Then again if the Jazz somehow keep Boozer they will win 50+ games make the playoffs and be kicked out in the 1st 2 rounds (all of this as a best case scenario) for the next 4-6 years depending on how long they sign Boozer for.
No thanks. It's time to move on and start showing that they care about trying for a championship and not accepting the part time play of a one sided player.
I hope they work a sign and trade for Boozer but with this franchise I seriously doubt they would even if some dumb *** team wants Boozer for 6 years.
Lost_Jazz_Fan
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I say we win 3+ more games. Millsap is a gamer and heavily outplayed Boozer in the LA series.
theNBAnerd
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hopper said:
yes, i still think the jazz can retain booz.
as for your second question, the i don't know what the exact win total will be, but i can pretty much guarantee you they won't make the playoffs if the scenario presented in the poll (lose boozer to free agency, don't add anything else) comes true.
ok that's just ridiculous. no utah big man played more passively in that series than millsap. absolutely drove me nuts.
Hopper
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On what conditions and at what cost? Tradin Millsap? Dumpin AK? Payin big luxury tax?
I agree with Nerd that there is no way we win more games with Boozer off the roster. And considering how close the Western conference standings were at the end of last year even a 5 game dip takes us out of the playoffs. That being said. Is an $85 million dollar salary with all the tax money on top worth paying for a team, that unless they get lucky and someone else beats the Lakers for them, is not going to win a championship the way they are currently built.
The Jazz are a worse team without Boozer no question. In the end it depends on how much worse and what can they do after AK's contract comes up at the end of this year to rebuild and get back to being better than they were with Booz.
The Jazz are a worse team without Boozer no question. In the end it depends on how much worse and what can they do after AK's contract comes up at the end of this year to rebuild and get back to being better than they were with Booz.
Hopper
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Take any team in the league and either (1) just add Boozer to their roster, or (2) don't, and you're gunna have a "better team" with option (1) every time. That would be true even if, like on the Olympic team, Boozer was merely the 12th man who only played a few minutes a game.
Kinda goes without sayin. But such possibilities can't just be evaluated in the abstract, isolated from any and all other considerations, as Ben points out.
Kinda goes without sayin. But such possibilities can't just be evaluated in the abstract, isolated from any and all other considerations, as Ben points out.
memo is money
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-Had Carlos not come back from injury that year and damaged the team chemistry and the rhythm that the team previously established, The Jazz could have won 50+ games IMO.
-At least he could have accepted to start the games of the bench. A perfect example of him not being a team-first guy.
-For the poll, I say 5 more losses. Because during the period when Booz was injured and Millsap, without a player backing him up, started at 4, Paul's efficiency constantly decreased as the process progressed. It might have something to do with better scouting on him, as well as Paul's not being ready for taking the starting job at that time. We caould also attribute his lessening effect to his injury.
- Actually, the answer of this poll question is directly related to 1) Memo's injury 2) The development of replacement bigs.
Hopper
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07-08: Boozer plays in 81 games, Jazz win 54
08-09: Boozer plays in 37 games; Jazz win 48
In 08-09, in games where Boozer played more than 22 minutes, the team's record was 18-15 (.545), by my count, which would mean they were 30-19 (.612) in the other games. In 07-08, the team won the only game he didn't play in, so they were 53-28 (.654) with him.
Overall: 71-43 (.623) with him, 31-19 (.620) without him.
.623 = 51 wins a year
.620 = 51 wins a year
08-09: Boozer plays in 37 games; Jazz win 48
In 08-09, in games where Boozer played more than 22 minutes, the team's record was 18-15 (.545), by my count, which would mean they were 30-19 (.612) in the other games. In 07-08, the team won the only game he didn't play in, so they were 53-28 (.654) with him.
Overall: 71-43 (.623) with him, 31-19 (.620) without him.
.623 = 51 wins a year
.620 = 51 wins a year
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Lost_Jazz_Fan
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Sap was not nearly as careless as Carlos in that series. And was able to score quite frequently by just simply outworking the LA bigs. Boozer on the other hand either turned it over or got blocked most of the time.
candrew
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Jazz go 44-38 if Boozer walks with nothing significant coming back in return.
And that's if the team stays relatively healthy.
I don't want to hear about what happened over 2+ years ago - look at how The Jazz played in November and December last year. That's pretty much how The Jazz will play all year next season without a consistent low post presence. D-Will will try to take games into his own hands down the stretch and the rest of the team will stand around while he tries to do everything.
And that's if the team stays relatively healthy.
I don't want to hear about what happened over 2+ years ago - look at how The Jazz played in November and December last year. That's pretty much how The Jazz will play all year next season without a consistent low post presence. D-Will will try to take games into his own hands down the stretch and the rest of the team will stand around while he tries to do everything.
Hopper
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Are you suggesting that Boozer didn't play in November and December last year? What's the connection here?
Boozer played every single game in November and December. He missed 4 games later in the year, during which span the team went 3-1.