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Boy who claimed he had been to heaven admits he made up all the story.

As someone who decides what's true based on how good it makes me feel, I'm very disappointed.
 
As someone who decides what's true based on how good it makes me feel, I'm very disappointed.

Ha ha, funny. When you say it this way, basing knowledge of 'truth' on how one feels seems just so silly (appropriately so). Yet, there is a certain dominant local religion that has made 'feelings=truth' the foundation of its epistemological framework.
 
..as Sean Carroll puts it so eloquently when it comes to the "evidence"(anecdotes) for afterlife people present after near-death experience: "What is a more plausible explanation - that some ill-defined metaphysical substance, not subject to the known laws of physics, interacts with the atoms of our brains in ways that have thus far eluded every controlled experiment ever performed in the history of science or that people hallucinate when they are nearly dead?"... I guess this boy presents another option...
 
..as Sean Carroll puts it so eloquently when it comes to the "evidence"(anecdotes) for afterlife people present after near-death experience: "What is a more plausible explanation - that some ill-defined metaphysical substance, not subject to the known laws of physics, interacts with the atoms of our brains in ways that have thus far eluded every controlled experiment ever performed in the history of science or that people hallucinate when they are nearly dead?"... I guess this boy presents another option...

It is true that maybe DMT is released in the brain nearing death giving dream like experiences (which hasn't been proven yet). However what is the evolutionary explanation for this? Why would our brain release a lot of feel good trippy hormones when we are approaching death? Wouldn't it be better if we got the most intense pain in our life so that we struggle more to survive? I believe that once you are dead, your brain ceases to exist and your soul is a product of your brain. It would take a Miracle to bring you back alive. If something had the power to create the universe could it not have the power to bring you back alive after death?
 
It is true that maybe DMT is released in the brain nearing death giving dream like experiences (which hasn't been proven yet). However what is the evolutionary explanation for this? Why would our brain release a lot of feel good trippy hormones when we are approaching death? Wouldn't it be better if we got the most intense pain in our life so that we struggle more to survive? I believe that once you are dead, your brain ceases to exist and your soul is a product of your brain. It would take a Miracle to bring you back alive. If something had the power to create the universe could it not have the power to bring you back alive after death?

I don't have enough knowledge on the subject to answer with any credibility some of the questions so take what I am about to say with a grain of salt, or even better I bet there is literature(wiki?) that can explain some of it much better and more accurately.

The brain shutting down or the body releasing chemicals that might in some cases force hallucinations is preferable to the intense pain that is felt in some situations. Intense pain might actually harm the body and the brain. A lot of near death experiences have to do with the brain starving for oxygen, thus being unable to function normally and either shutting down or substituting the normal function with chemicals that kick you into states of hallucination of some sort.

For example, I know that there have been experiments that have tried to simulate near-death experience - doctors in general know what the state of the brain is(what parts are damaged or malfunctioning, etc.) when those experiences usually take place and they've tried to simulate this type of damage(without actually damaging the brain) and they achieve exactly what most of those near death experience survivors report - meeting with gods depending on your preconceived ideas(religion, etc.), out of body experience(your soul rising above your body, etc.) and so on... Some have even made experiments trying to put some huge sign on top of a platform that is above the level of the patient(something they've never seen), and see if when those who experience the out of body experience with their soul hovering above their body(and supposedly above the platform) could see the sign. None of the ones that reported out of body experience saw the sign - it was all happening as a hallucination in the brain.

About your last question, your first assumption is arguably much bigger than the conclusion you are trying to draw from it. And even then I would say that it's not necessarily true. You can have something that creates the universe and kicks in all the processes that lead to your existence, without that something having the power to have whatever effect on your life or death. For that you'd have to claim specific attributes for that something/being.
 
I don't have enough knowledge on the subject to answer with any credibility some of the questions so take what I am about to say with a grain of salt, or even better I bet there is literature(wiki?) that can explain some of it much better and more accurately.

The brain shutting down or the body releasing chemicals that might in some cases force hallucinations is preferable to the intense pain that is felt in some situations. Intense pain might actually harm the body and the brain. A lot of near death experiences have to do with the brain starving for oxygen, thus being unable to function normally and either shutting down or substituting the normal function with chemicals that kick you into states of hallucination of some sort.

For example, I know that there have been experiments that have tried to simulate near-death experience - doctors in general know what the state of the brain is(what parts are damaged or malfunctioning, etc.) when those experiences usually take place and they've tried to simulate this type of damage(without actually damaging the brain) and they achieve exactly what most of those near death experience survivors report - meeting with gods depending on your preconceived ideas(religion, etc.), out of body experience(your soul rising above your body, etc.) and so on... Some have even made experiments trying to put some huge sign on top of a platform that is above the level of the patient(something they've never seen), and see if when those who experience the out of body experience with their soul hovering above their body(and supposedly above the platform) could see the sign. None of the ones that reported out of body experience saw the sign - it was all happening as a hallucination in the brain.

About your last question, your first assumption is arguably much bigger than the conclusion you are trying to draw from it. And even then I would say that it's not necessarily true. You can have something that creates the universe and kicks in all the processes that lead to your existence, without that something having the power to have whatever effect on your life or death. For that you'd have to claim specific attributes for that something/being.


Having spent a summer in my early youth (I think I was 8 or 9) huffing gas, I can say that oxygen deprivation can provide rather intense hallucinations. I think I could have been an intelligent person had I avoided huffing so much at such an early age. That said, those experiences were extremely profound.
 
FWIW (which isn't very much) A. J. Ayer which is probably the second most influential atheist philosopher of his generation behind Bertland Russel had a near death experience that was apparantly convincing for him to weaken his inclination that there is no afterlife. I think that consciousness is product of the body and when the body dies, it ceases to exist.
 
Having spent a summer in my early youth (I think I was 8 or 9) huffing gas, I can say that oxygen deprivation can provide rather intense hallucinations. I think I could have been an intelligent person had I avoided huffing so much at such an early age. That said, those experiences were extremely profound.
Good times
 
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A- Can't believe this thread does not include some sort of "this is a bunch of Malarkey" comment.

2- Even if some 6 year old did see all of what was in the book, all the negative attention could be enough to get him to retract it.
(Just saying, not backing either stance that it's true or false)

D - If someone tells you "what I just told you is a lie", how are you supposed to believe the new statement. Does it go back to Siro's statement that you believe the second one because it makes you "feel" better about it and yourself?
 
I just read the article and was about to do the whole "bunch of malarkey" thing, then I saw the post above :(
 
This is a bunch of malarkey.

















It was either that or a babe-sized post about NDE's.
 
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