Kanter is still Kanter, whether he is picked at #3 or #2. If teams want to part with x amount of assets for Kanter, they will give these same assets whether he is #3 or #2. Their objective is to get Kanter. To them Kanter is worth x. They will give x for whatever pick Kanter is going in or any pick before that, since they will get Kanter with that pick. For instance, let's say you are Bulls and really want Knight and are willing to part with Boozer for him. You have no pick in this draft. You offered Boozer to Utah for #3. Now, let's suppose Knight slipped passed us to Toronto. Wouldn't you still offer Booz to Toronot then? It would be completely idiotic of you to say you will offer less, if you are willing to part with Booz and they guy you want is there to be had. In other words, why do you care, if it is #2 or #3, if the underlying asset is the same? The cost you are willing to give for the underlying asset is what matters here. I just don't think Wolves smokescreen makes any sense.
BREAKING NEWS - Minnesota telling other teams they're taking Enes Kanter at #2 over D-Will 2
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Kanter is still Kanter, whether he is picked at #3 or #2. If teams want to part with x amount of assets for Kanter, they will give these same assets whether he is #3 or #2. Their objective is to get Kanter. To them Kanter is worth x. They will give x for whatever pick Kanter is going in or any pick before that, since they will get Kanter with that pick. For instance, let's say you are Bulls and really want Knight and are willing to part with Boozer for him. You have no pick in this draft. You offered Boozer to Utah for #3. Now, let's suppose Knight slipped passed us to Toronto. Wouldn't you still offer Booz to Toronot then? It would be completely idiotic of you to say you will offer less, if you are willing to part with Booz and they guy you want is there to be had. In other words, why do you care, if it is #2 or #3, if the underlying asset is the same? The cost you are willing to give for the underlying asset is what matters here. I just don't think Wolves smokescreen makes any sense.
I appreciate the Timberwolves for at least making this draft that much more interesting.
billyshelby
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Dude, this is Bidding War 101 stuff. Number One Rule in Bidding Wars is get as many bidders as you can. The teams that want Williams were formerly only bidding against themselves for the 2. Now Kahn is letting those teams know that teams bidding for Kanter will officially be entering the sweepstakes. It's a transparent ploy, but the seed of doubt is real. He's hoping to increase anxiety, and thereby cause somebody to finally flinch on a deal for the 2 he likes no matter what player they want.
With that said, Givony changes his mock draft to show Kanter at #2. I think Kanter at #2 might be real. I can't believe such good fortune (us getting Dwill 2), until i see it, but I don't think there is any point for the Wolves to set up any smokescreens.
The teams bidding for Kanter WERE ALREADY in sweepstakes. #2 pick allows you to get EITHER Kanter or Williams, not just Williams.
If Wolves really think it is really close, Kanter makes more sense to them, I agree, just because he can step right alongside Love and Beasley without disrupting the team. If they draft Williams, now they need to trade a young 20ppg scorer, further complicating things. That makes sense, of course, if they think DWill is better. But if it is about the same, you do look at your positional need. That's why if reports are that Wolves are considering both seriously and like both really well, there is a good chance kanter is their pick. That's why I think that report of them picking Kanter at #2 might be real.
Agree. If i were anohter GM, i would go ahead and spend the extra 3mins on the phone and ask "ok, so now that we understand where we are with Williams, lets talk about a trade for KANTER." And even as i write that, i would say the conversation is more "we want the 2nd pick and we'll give you this for it" and that is it. When the other Wolves say "well, who ya gonna pick?" you'd say "doesn't matter, I just want #2 and i'll give you a can of pork and beans for it."
In general, Utah and Minnesota are more competitive situation than Minnesota and Cleveland. So maybe this is a pot stirring trick on behalf of Cleveland by Minny for friendly benefits later... Still, i don't see how it means much.
DX updated their mock having us pick Dwill! If we get him, I think I should get repped. It's clearly destiny because of my profile name.
Favors Flave
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I will. IIRC, we were the first 2 to pimp him. He has been in my sig forever it seems
billyshelby
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Nobody wants to pay retail. What Kahn is doing is telling everybody they have to pay retail no matter who they want at 2. So teams that thought they could work a deal at 4 to get Kanter now think they have to get the 2. If they come in with good bids for the 2, then teams that were trying to get Williams now have to up their offers.
Kahn smoke screening would make sense. He's been calling teams trying to pry their big men from them (Gasol, Bynum, etc.), so selling a Kanter pick would make sense.
The only team I could see this tempting a trade is Washington. It could be a play for McGee I guess, but what's Kanter without McGee?
Yeah, Kahn's retarded. Nevermind.
The only team I could see this tempting a trade is Washington. It could be a play for McGee I guess, but what's Kanter without McGee?
Yeah, Kahn's retarded. Nevermind.
Yeah, I was huge on him before the Tourney. The homer in me naturally soured on him when I thought we had absolutely no chance of getting him. Now that it looks like we may get him, I am getting excited again.