**Breaking** Trey Burke being discussed in Trades!!!!

[Stifle Tower]

My main worry is if Gobert is MAX, Favors is MAX and Hayward is MAX, can we afford to keep Hood and Exum when they become restricted FA?

No we cannot and I've posted the numbers in a couple of threads.
Now if each would leave money on the table, then we can keep those three PLUS Hood and Exum, Will have to let Burks go, but would have a bench of Lyles, three future 1st round picks (2016 + two in 2017), perhaps Neto and another cheap vet like Withey.

alt13,
You have to also consider the space between the cap and the tax which is generally between $15-$20M. By '18/'19, the cap SHOULD be over $100M and the tax threshold might be around $120M.

So, let assume all take less:
(Hayward $25M, Gobert, Favors and Hood $20M and Exum $15) = $100M
Lyles and 3 1st round picks (average of $2M each) = $8M

That's 8 players at $108M, leaving $12M for 5 additional players, Could add Neto and another cheaper vet. But also have to consider that the 5 main salaries are low estimates. Those five could EASILY be $120M if no one is willing to give Utah a 'hometown" discount,

 

[slc]

My main worry is if Gobert is MAX, Favors is MAX and Hayward is MAX, can we afford to keep Hood and Exum when they become restricted FA?

This is what I don't like about the payroll scheme.
Jazz have built a great team almost entirely through the draft and will be punished for this down the road.
The league should reward teams that build such teams and allow them to keep all drafted players by some form of compensation.
This would create some form of parity and might level the playing field for those who might never get a top ten player.

 

[The Midnight]

We probably can't.

The scenario you laid out would cost around 85 million for those 3. Add 1 million each for the other 12 players and we are at 97 million. The salary cap is expected to be 100 million for the 2017-18 season. We can't pay all those guys max. The question is can we keep them for less.

No we cannot and I've posted the numbers in a couple of threads.
Now if each would leave money on the table (say Hayward at $25M, Favors and Gobert at $20M each), then we can keep those three PLUS Hood and Exum, Will have to let Burks go, but would have a bench of Lyles, Neto, three future 1st round picks (2016 + two in 2017), perhaps Neto and another cheap vet like Withey.

This is what I don't like about the payroll scheme.
Jazz have built a great team almost entirely through the draft and will be punished for this down the road.
The league should reward teams that build such teams and allow them to keep all drafted players by some form of compensation.
This would create some form of parity and might level the playing field for those who might never get a top ten player.

OKC had to trade away Harden when they didn't need to. They could have won 1-2 Championships by now had they not have to do that.


I'm not holding my breath that any of our future MAX guys would be wiling to take less to stay on the team. Hayward surely isn't going to do that and he's the leader of this team so if he doesn't, then I don't have high hopes of Favors and Gobert following suits.


This is what is so great about the Spurs, Duncan is absolutely a MAX player but correct me if I'm wrong, he was willing to sign for less than MAX to keep a Championship team together. I believe Dirk also signed for less than MAX if I'm not mistaken to keep themselves in contention.


Hayward needs to set an example when his contract negotiation comes up and take less than MAX to show he believes in this team so that Favors and Gobert would do the same and keep this team competitive.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

This is what I don't like about the payroll scheme.
Jazz have built a great team almost entirely through the draft and will be punished for this down the road.
The league should reward teams that build such teams and allow them to keep all drafted players by some form of compensation.
This would create some form of parity and might level the playing field for those who might never get a top ten player.

All part of the game.

Move 2+ for a superstar (We missed that chance).
Trade one for cheap/future assets.
Get them all to buy in to what you are building and they may be inclined to stay for less money.

 

[Stifle Tower]

This is what I don't like about the payroll scheme.
Jazz have built a great team almost entirely through the draft and will be punished for this down the road.
The league should reward teams that build such teams and allow them to keep all drafted players by some form of compensation.
This would create some form of parity and might level the playing field for those who might never get a top ten player.

All teams face that dilemma, OKC got rid of Harden to avoid the tax. Warriors have kept everyone largely because Curry is earning $11M. Tim Duncan earns around $10M, IINM. GS will also benefit by having convinced Thompson and Green to sign max deals under the lower cap. They could have easily insisted on doing an opt out like Hayward to earn a ton more money in a couple of seasons.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So would anyone trade Hayward to Celts for the Nets pick and players not knowing where the pick will wind up?

No. Teams are going to start tanking hard and Brooklyn will still be trying to win games. I don't think they will end up being that far off the a bottom tier record, but they have no incentive to lose on purpose like a lot of teams will.

 

[GVC]

You have to also consider the space between the cap and the tax which is generally between $15-$20M. By '18/'19, the cap SHOULD be over $100M and the tax threshold might be around $120M.

Seriously? We've already been over this. The tax line would be around $130mil with a $100mil salary cap.

 

[Stifle Tower]

All part of the game.

Move 2+ for a superstar (We missed that chance).
Trade one for cheap/future assets.
Get them all to buy in to what you are building and they may be inclined to stay for less money.

Great post.
1. I'm not sure we ever had a chance to move 2 for a superstar. Stars don't list Utah as a preferred destination. In fact, I've never heard one star say he's wants to play for the Jazz.
2. Which is why I've said the Jazz brass need to meet with Gordon and determine his intentions. If he's noncommital (like DWill was) and/or says he's looking for 5/$150, then trade him. He's NOT a $30M man.
3. Yes, this is what the Jazz intend to do. And it starts with Rudy, He can set the tone by saying he's extending for "only" 5/$100M so the team can stay together and hopes everyone will follow his example.

 

[♪alt13]

This is what I don't like about the payroll scheme.
Jazz have built a great team almost entirely through the draft and will be punished for this down the road.
The league should reward teams that build such teams and allow them to keep all drafted players by some form of compensation.
This would create some form of parity and might level the playing field for those who might never get a top ten player.

NBA owners should own 2% of every other team.

 

[GVC]

This is what I don't like about the payroll scheme.
Jazz have built a great team almost entirely through the draft and will be punished for this down the road.
The league should reward teams that build such teams and allow them to keep all drafted players by some form of compensation.
This would create some form of parity and might level the playing field for those who might never get a top ten player.

The league already rewards teams that build through the draft with restricted free agency and Bird rights. In most cases, teams control the players they draft for ~8 seasons. They then can offer these same players larger contracts than any other team, and don't have to worry about having cap space to re-sign them. Other teams can only offer opposing teams' free agents 4 year contracts at a lower dollar amount, and must have the cap space to do so.

 

[GVC]

And it starts with Rudy, He can set the tone by saying he's extending for "only" 5/$100M so the team can stay together and hopes everyone will follow his example.

The Jazz can't 'extend' Rudy for 5 years at anything below the max. They can extend him for 4 years, for 5 years starting at the max, or wait until free agency to make him a 5-year offer starting at less than the max.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Seriously? We've already been over this. The tax line would be around $130mil with a $100mil salary cap.

Here's the link for the numbers I've been using. So, yes, SERIOUSLY, that's a published estimate.

After those big increases, the cap is projected to dip in 2018-19 to 100 million for the salary cap and $121 million for the luxury tax line and then make smaller increases in the following two seasons.

Why are you so quick to always slam me? I have OFTEN given credit to you for your knowledge of the cap rules and have acknowledged when I have been wrong. But it seems like so many posts I make, you immediately jump into attack mode. I swear I have never been to Toronto, never slept with your SO, sister or any other member of your family.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...luxury-tax-threshold-dollar-amounts/25974437/