Building around Williams was a mistake, time to move on
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Lord of Turnovers
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Here we go again. Years of Stockton and Malone, Nash and Dirk, and Nash and Stoudemire were not enough, I guess? To win a championship the team typically needs a superstar wing + a superstar 7-footer. The great PGs are simply to easily neutralized to the large degree by having a cheap veteran point, like Grandpa Fisher.
And great bigs or wings would simply destroy the opposing player of that level. How often do the coaches lose sleep thinking "Who should I defend DWill or Chris Paul with?" But they do go crazy thinking about defending Howard, Shaq, Wade or Durant.
Chad Feldheimer
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What no brainer trade are the Jazz passing up?
DWill for Durant?
DWill for Wade?
DWill for Kobe?
DWIll for Gasol?
DWill for Howard?
If what you say in your post is true, why would a team trade us an elite big or sg in exchange for an elite PG to build around since it's a mistake to do so?
You fools.... you are mistaking the smallest person on the team for being the floor general.
Kobe is the floor general... chock up 5 championships for him
Wade was the floor general... chock up a championship for him.
San Antonio's team's strategy has to deal with ball movement, not creating a specific floor general but allotting equal importance to every position, and they've always had great ball moving big men opening up more opportunities for the slashers. That equates to 4 championships for them.
Billups was the floor general on one championship team, but also he was the floor general on another finals team and 4 more teams too make it to the conference finals. He is an elite point guard, don't kid yourself.
MJ and Pippen were the floor generals in the great bulls teams, Pippen usually brought the ball up the floor.
Don't kid yourself... the floor general is the most important position, and we have a damn good one. But yes a floor general is nothing without talent, and we may not have enough, and maybe we do. There are not many players a team would rather have then Deron... Lebron, Kobe, Dwayne Wade and maybe Durant (I'd say his impact is equal to Deron)... thats about it... anybody else isn't going to bring a championship to Utah in place of Deron.
Dwight Howard- he's good, but he's shut down constantly, he won't be a champion until he has a good floor general.
Carmello- seriously?
Kobe is the floor general... chock up 5 championships for him
Wade was the floor general... chock up a championship for him.
San Antonio's team's strategy has to deal with ball movement, not creating a specific floor general but allotting equal importance to every position, and they've always had great ball moving big men opening up more opportunities for the slashers. That equates to 4 championships for them.
Billups was the floor general on one championship team, but also he was the floor general on another finals team and 4 more teams too make it to the conference finals. He is an elite point guard, don't kid yourself.
MJ and Pippen were the floor generals in the great bulls teams, Pippen usually brought the ball up the floor.
Don't kid yourself... the floor general is the most important position, and we have a damn good one. But yes a floor general is nothing without talent, and we may not have enough, and maybe we do. There are not many players a team would rather have then Deron... Lebron, Kobe, Dwayne Wade and maybe Durant (I'd say his impact is equal to Deron)... thats about it... anybody else isn't going to bring a championship to Utah in place of Deron.
Dwight Howard- he's good, but he's shut down constantly, he won't be a champion until he has a good floor general.
Carmello- seriously?
i see your point. as soon as Jerry switches Deron to "SG" or "point forward" we'll win so many championships.
chawx
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That's because they know the NBA is rigged and they aren't allowed to "defend" those guys if Stern doesn't want you to. NBA = WWE , it's all entertainment... nothing in it is real. As soon as you accept that, the calmer and happier your life will be.
Archie Moses
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Dude has a point.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Great post.
MJ and Kobe (and Wade) always had the ball in their hands. But all those guys put up huge numbers, but had nothing to show for it until two additional great players were added to the team. MJ had Pippen, Rodman and a fantastic role players. Wade needed Shaq. Kobe needed Shaq and then Gasol. He even needed the veteran leadership of Fisher to put them over the top.
I agree a great center is >>> than an all-star PG. But how many franchise centers are out there - 4 or 5? And what chance does Utah have at acquiring any of those? ZERO.
Utah's only hope is followig the Detroit model. If you can't get 3 superstars, then you better have five very good starters and good depth down to the 8th/9th players. Just my opinion, but I don't thik Miami will be as good as everyone thinks. So you give LBJ, Wade and Bosh 25 pts each. Then what? Those guys can't play 48 mins/per. They'll have a weak bench and two other average starters. They've got to hope a couple of aging vets sign on just to play for a title (like Malone tried to do with the Lakers). As much as I hate LA, I don't see Miami getting past the Lakers.
Back to the topic, I think the plan is to go with Deron and Hayward at the 1-2. Those guys are big enough to create mismatches at theor positions. Then you need to parlay AK's expiring into a great starting SF (or starting PF). Add a solid center, somehow - maybe a team wants to dump salary and you can give them Boozer's TPE at the deadline. Or maybe it's Dalembert as a FA next year or Tomic.
Lord of Turnovers
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That is exactly the point - great wing players do not need a great PG, they can handle and distribute the ball AND provide the scoring punch at the same time. So why pay the max to a great PG then? A passable point would suffice, and the money saved could be used to sign a max wing player. DWill, supposedly a great floor general, is a 16.7 PPG career scorer. While a premier shooting guard would give you the services of a floor general AND 25+ PPG.
I would be OK with having DWill for 6-8 million, not for the max.
One of the reasons why Phil is such a great coach is that he realized long time ago that he does not need an elite or even a good PG to win championships. That is why despite all the jokes about Fisher and Farmar the Lakers kept adding the depth at other positions. Who fears Nash or Deron in the playoffs? Their opponents worried much more about containing Stoudemire, Nowitzki and Boozer.
Hopper
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Heh, ya would, eh? Well, now, aint that special? I bet most GM's agree witcha there. I bet even more agree that they would be "OK," with having him for $1.2 million a year, not for the max, ya know?