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Building around Williams was a mistake, time to move on

"I would be OK with having DWill for 6-8 million, not for the max."

You mean Travis Outlaw type money? Get out of town.... you are too generous!
 
Larry Brown said recently that he considered Williams to be one of the top five players in the game. To avoid any kinda misunderstandin, he went on to elaborate that he truly meant top 5 "players," not top five point guards. But what the hell does Brown know about winnin in the NBA, ya know?

Edit: Correction. I guess Brown didn't say "top 5," exactly. He basically said Deron was tied for first, the way I read it:

"I don't think there's a better player in the league than Deron Williams," Brown said. "You don't hear him talked about like the others, but the effect he has on games to me are every bit as dramatic as any of the great ones we talk about."

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Chad Feldheimer said:
"I would be OK with having DWill for 6-8 million, not for the max."

You mean Travis Outlaw type money? Get out of town.... you are too generous!
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That is the only conceivable way for the Jazz to win a championship, unfortunately. SLC is not LA or New York, so they cannot spend $80-100 million on salaries. And to win a ring they need an elite wing and an elite big. There is no way to get them trough the draft - any team with Deron will never get the top 3 pick.

So the Jazz will need to pay 2 max (or close to max) salaries to fill those two positions - and it is simply impossible with Deron having a max... Unless you are talking about gutting your team Miami-style, which I simply do not see happening in Utah for many reasons.

As I said, the Jazz team built around DWill would be a good, quality team, but it will never win it all. Of course, some of you may be OK with it...
 
Just curious, Lord, what team do you really root for? I see that your only previous thread was similar in tone. Ya know, the one where you said Dwayne Wade was a "tool" who "didn't know anything about basketball," because he said sumthin positive about Sloan, to wit:

"There are some great, great coaches around who can squeeze a lot of life out of their players, like Jerry Sloan. Every year he proves that." (Wade)

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php/80-Wade-apparently-knows-nothing-about-basketball

Mebbe ya wanna give us your basketball resume so that we can compare it to Wade's to decide for ourselves who might know more about basketball, you, or him, eh?
 
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The OP's post sounds like he stole some of my points from another previous thread where I had mentioned about having a lot of precedent for teams winning with a great wing/big man but not so much for teams with a great PG/PF. Jazz seem stuck to their 1-4 punch. However, I still feel that getting a legit MAX big guy alongside Deron would make us a contender. You put, say Duncan in his prime, next to Deron and you are telling me we are'nt contenders? I think the league rules just favor having a good wing now more than ever. No hand checks and all that . So you have a 6-6, or 6-7 guy who can do it all and it makes it much easier in the clutch. A PG is still 6-2 or 6-3 at the most(with rare exceptions like Tyreke Evans) and gets defended by a bigger guy in the playoffs making it difficult.
Isaiah Thomas seems to be the only exception in the last 25 yrs.

But still give Deron a Duncan or KG in their prime and we will be going to the Finals
 
I agree.

Lets move on.

Lets trade Deron to the Lakers for Sasha(replaces Korver) and Luke Walton (he's kinda like Harpring) and maybe a 2nd rounder or something.
 
Nothing is wrong with building around Deron. But there is a problem though. We need a second playmaker. We need to take the ball out of Deron's hands a little bit. Not because he isn't effective enough. But we need that second threat to take pressure off of him.
Sloan needs to take control and get better ball movement. Use AK more often. Put the ball in AK's hands when Deron is out. And Run some plays where Deron is off the ball for a little bit. It will make the team worry about more when we do that. Its not nearly as consistent enough as it could or should be.
 
I will say this though. We will never wing a ring if we don't get another playmaker here. Deron & CP3 will never win a ring on any team unless they get a second playmaker. It opens things up for everybody else when they have to worry about 2 players.
 
I think the Jazz have a lot of "playmakers," because that's the way the system is designed. The Jazz, as a team, led the league, by a wide margin,* in assists last year. Players other than Deron got about 60% of the team assists last year. For contrast, Nash and Paul each got almost 50% of their teams' total assists.

* There was a only a 3.1 assist spread between the 21st (Portland, 20.4 apg) and 2nd (Boston, 23.5 apg) ranked assist teams. The jazz (26.7 apg) had a 3.2 assist/game lead over 2nd place (Boston). I don't do stats, but I would guess that the Jazz are at least several standard deviations above the mean in the team assist category.

https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/miscellaneous-per-game
 
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