Building around Williams was a mistake, time to move on
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green
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You guys are completely missing the point. It isn't PG vs PF, it is about talent...and Utah has never had the depth of talent other teams have. And don't say Detriot either. They had SIX top ten picks on that team, including 3 in their starting lineup, and 2 more that were key contributors. Utah has never had that type of talent. Utah's has had Stockton, Malone, Hornacek, Deron, and maybe Boozer. The rest of the teams have been scrubs. It isn't Deron holding this team back, it is a lack of depth. A Deron and a team full of second rounders isn't going to cut it.
DWill_Gr8tness
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Lord of turnovers is more like the LORD OF IDIOTS!
Lose deron last year and the jazz would of been lucky to win 20 games. Every team in the NBA is jealous of the Jazz and Deron.
Lose deron last year and the jazz would of been lucky to win 20 games. Every team in the NBA is jealous of the Jazz and Deron.
Hopper
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Not to worry, eh? Stockton was a 13th pick, Malone a 16th pick, and Horny was only a 46th pick. Now, with Honzward on board, we have a 3rd and a 9th pick, both picked higher than any of them. Not to even mention AK, a 24th pick. Piece of cake from here on out, I figure.
Jean-Luc
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A ridiculous notion.
I see the "historical evidence" for your point, but ... the Jazz need their superstar. It's ridiculous and absurd that you would, as a Jazz fan, make this thread... because we all know that Deron is the best thing to happen to Utah since sliced bread.
Help needs to be brought to him, building around a dominant player like Deron is a smart thing... he just needs another playmaker. IMO Deron is by far the best thing Utah basketball has going for it.
I see the "historical evidence" for your point, but ... the Jazz need their superstar. It's ridiculous and absurd that you would, as a Jazz fan, make this thread... because we all know that Deron is the best thing to happen to Utah since sliced bread.
Help needs to be brought to him, building around a dominant player like Deron is a smart thing... he just needs another playmaker. IMO Deron is by far the best thing Utah basketball has going for it.
No one player is good enough to win it all. Think of even the greatest players. Cousy needed Russell. Chamberlain needed West. Robertson needed Jabbar. Magic needed Worthy. Bird needed McHale. Isaiah needed the Bad Boys. MJ needed Pippen. Shaq needed Kobe. Robinson needed Duncan. And Kobe needed Gasol. It's stupid to say that we can't build around one great player. No one player can do it all in the NBA. Not even the greatest players of all time
green
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Your point if fine, but like I mentioned, the Pistions had SIX top ten players. So, even with Deron and Hayward, they are still FOUR short. That is a huge talent discrepancy. Heck, LA had Four top ten players and Kobe. Utah has never had the talent that SA, HOU, CHI, LA, BOS has had. The point is, they don't need to get rid of Deron, they need to get better role players and another star. They need more talent.
David Stern
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Fixed.
Hopper
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Yeah, they need more talent, but everything's so fragile. People here sometimes act like the Jazz have been the worst team in the league, just because they can't beat the Lakers in the playoffs. But AK is a former all-star. Deron is an all-star, and a two-time all-pro, even. Boozer is/was a former all-star (and all-pro, I think). Memo is a former all-star. Off the bench, Brewer, Miles, Harpring, Millsap, Korver, Matthews and others have been more than simply adequate--many times our second team has actually got us back into a game we were losin big. In the regular season, at least, the Jazz have been able to slap BIGTIME ***-whuppins down on Boston, San Antonio, Cleveland, Denver, Orlando, and even the Lakers over the last few years. Yet, year in, year out, they seem to have major injuries, mental lapses (AK) and various other minor defects, as well as some major defensive flaws. The Jazz have been a good team, and not really that far from bein a championship contender. But bein good aint enough--ya also gotta be lucky.
Losin Boozer could be a blessin in disguise. Millsap/AK is fine at the 4 spot. Among other things, I think the team relied too much on Boozer on the offensive end, and it certainly suffered from his lack of defense on the other. If the Jazz can just adequately address their problems at center, it could make a "world" of difference, I figure. With Boozer gone, they are in a much better position to do that.
The big market teams have always had advantage as far as pooling together the most talent, but what has happened in the past few years really concerns me. It started with the Lakers swinging that scandalous deal to get Pau Gasol. Next, we had Boston getting Garnett and Allen to join Pierce. (Nothing shady about the deal, but concerning nonetheless). And, now we have 3 players essentially colluding to create a superteam.
So while the Jazz have been consistently good, they simply can't match up with these superteams. To be honest, there's no way the Jazz could do much to get more competitive against the Lakers.
I'm not certain how this sort of thing could be handled in the CBA. Hopefully, the league has at least some interest in keeping the NBA game competitive. If this sort of thing is allowed to continue, it could cause severe damage to the game and cost small market teams to be unable to build competitive teams. I hope all this LeBron stuff over the last few weeks is a wakeup call. Sure, we love the players, but I think most of us love the game more. The players can't be bigger than the game or this is what happens.
So while the Jazz have been consistently good, they simply can't match up with these superteams. To be honest, there's no way the Jazz could do much to get more competitive against the Lakers.
I'm not certain how this sort of thing could be handled in the CBA. Hopefully, the league has at least some interest in keeping the NBA game competitive. If this sort of thing is allowed to continue, it could cause severe damage to the game and cost small market teams to be unable to build competitive teams. I hope all this LeBron stuff over the last few weeks is a wakeup call. Sure, we love the players, but I think most of us love the game more. The players can't be bigger than the game or this is what happens.