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Burks is the Best Wing In Class

The Thriller said:
People have been ripping him ever since he was drafted. People bitching about not drafting a tweener like Leonard or not trading up for Jimmer. The mere fact that we have people in this thread refuting the Brewer comparisons show how ridiculous the Burk hate has become.

At #12, Burks was a no brainer.
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I honestly don't see any hate. There was a very few amount that wanted to trade up and get Jimmer, but there is nothing wrong with them thinking that. Just b/c you don't like their opinion doesn't mean they are hating
 
The Thriller said:
People have been ripping him ever since he was drafted. People bitching about not drafting a tweener like Leonard or not trading up for Jimmer. The mere fact that we have people in this thread refuting the Brewer comparisons show how ridiculous the Burk hate has become
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Maybe on the KSL boards. It seems people are as unanimously in approval of the pick here as you'll get.
 
Burks' ability to pass the ball was more greatly valued than his 3-point shooting by the Jazz. Jazz brass has said this skill is what convinced them to take him at #12. Other teams apparently were more hung up on his 3-point shooting failures and let it overshadow his other skills, like driving to the basket and getting to the FT line, which is far superior to the 2 SG's taken just before him...
 
The Thriller said:
Uhhhh...

Had Lebron actually attacked the basket, perhaps he'd be the one with the ring right now. Lebron became CJ Miles the last 3 games. He chilled 30 feet away from the basket and chucked up the first 3 pointer he could.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Thriller again.
 
I wasn't, and am still not, very excited about the pick. I think Burks was as good as we were getting at 12. Who that went after was really going to be THAT much better? I just have visions of another shooting guard that can't shoot. In the end, he has to be able to shoot enough to keep the defense honest. Brewer was as big a liability as he was an asset since on defense Kobe et. al. could just take time off and rest. If this guy has a better mid-range game and can develop at least a decent 3-pt shot he will be far better and it will have been a good pick. As it is, I think it is a big meh pick. I sure hope he proves me wrong.
 
My understanding is unlike Brewer, he CAN shoot, just not from deep. I think with his DESIRE and youth, hitting the weights and working with Horny will do the trick. Brewer simply had a broken shot, and seemed to lack either the drive or confidence to get it repaired...
 
LogGrad98 said:
I wasn't, and am still not, very excited about the pick. I think Burks was as good as we were getting at 12. Who that went after was really going to be THAT much better? I just have visions of another shooting guard that can't shoot. In the end, he has to be able to shoot enough to keep the defense honest. Brewer was as big a liability as he was an asset since on defense Kobe et. al. could just take time off and rest. If this guy has a better mid-range game and can develop at least a decent 3-pt shot he will be far better and it will have been a good pick. As it is, I think it is a big meh pick. I sure hope he proves me wrong.
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Five things to keep in mind.

1) His shooting mechanics are excellent. Beautiful to watch really.
2) He improved from 19% to 29% from his freshman to sophomore years. Very solid and a good sign.
3) He's still very young. We're not talking about some senior who shot 29% from three. Again, he was only a sophomore.
4) His team sucked and I'm sure the number of double or even triple teams he received were quite large.
5) Look at stud's three point percentages: Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Carmello. None of them are good, let alone very good. I'm not anointing Burks the next chosen one, just pointing out that other abilities/stats seem more important.
 
Brown Notes said:
Who's complaining here? Looks like a love thread to me. Put your walking stick down, Grandpa. The kids are yelling good things this time.
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hehehe, sorry, but that's pretty funny. :)

I also agree with everyone's optimism about this kid. He has an edge to him that this team desperately needs. Deron was that edge for us before. I hope this kid can develop in that direction. Although, after the injuries, Deron was a bit more timid. Let's pray Burks avoids that. Don't worry, I already knocked on wood. ;)
 
LogGrad98 said:
I wasn't, and am still not, very excited about the pick. I think Burks was as good as we were getting at 12. Who that went after was really going to be THAT much better? I just have visions of another shooting guard that can't shoot. In the end, he has to be able to shoot enough to keep the defense honest. Brewer was as big a liability as he was an asset since on defense Kobe et. al. could just take time off and rest. If this guy has a better mid-range game and can develop at least a decent 3-pt shot he will be far better and it will have been a good pick. As it is, I think it is a big meh pick. I sure hope he proves me wrong.
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While he may not be able to shoot the long ball right now he is no brewer. Brewer relied on playing the passing lanes and cutting hard to the basket hoping deron would find him. While burks can create his own shot and has a quick first step. Burks won't be a liability on offense!
 
LogGrad98 said:
I wasn't, and am still not, very excited about the pick. I think Burks was as good as we were getting at 12. Who that went after was really going to be THAT much better? I just have visions of another shooting guard that can't shoot. In the end, he has to be able to shoot enough to keep the defense honest. Brewer was as big a liability as he was an asset since on defense Kobe et. al. could just take time off and rest. If this guy has a better mid-range game and can develop at least a decent 3-pt shot he will be far better and it will have been a good pick. As it is, I think it is a big meh pick. I sure hope he proves me wrong.
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I don't think I'm as rosy on him as most, but I will say this pick is anything but meh. He could be Evan Turner (if Evan Turner never figures it out [and it's not looking good]), a Maggette but whose strength is speed and is a willing passer, or possibly even better (I don't want to sacrilege). Long story short, he's going to be really good or he's going to be a punchline/sad story. My gut tells me it's the former.

A meh pick is Battier in the top ten (who I love, but come on).
 
Hornacek said that he changes speeds well and has a surprising second gear.

I remember the Jazz coaching staff, fans, and media using that discription to describe Deron Williams often.

FWIW

edit: post 888, btw.
 
All of this information came from DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Just-By-the-Numbers-the-2011-Wing-Crop-3750/#ixzz1QcHROcIs
https://www.draftexpress.com posted at the beginning of this thread. I picked thru to determine what we really go with the 12th pick. Burks does not rank well on defense as far as far as steals, blocks, etc., and is not good coming onboard on 3 point percentage. Burks himself stated he did not do all that he could do on the defensive end. I wanted to look at the positives he brings in, so I pulled those stats that make him look like a possible steal at the 12th pick..
Draft Express
Top 20 wing crop in 2011 draft
Point Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted
Name
Team
League
Pts/40p
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
25.1


Burks is first in point per 40 minutes pace adjusted.

Attempts Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted
Name
Team
League
Fta/40p
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
9.7


Burks ranked first in free throw attempts per-40 minutes pace adjusted.

Free Throw Attempts Per Possession
Name
Team
League
FTA/Pos
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
0.45


Burks ranked first in free throw attempts per possession.

True Shooting Percentage
Name
Team
League
TS%
Jon Diebler
Ohio State
NCAA
73%
Marshon Brooks
Providence
NCAA
59%
Gilbert Brown
Pittsburgh
NCAA
59%
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
58%
Bojan Bogdanovic
Cibona Zagreb
ADRIATIC
58%
Klay Thompson
Washington State
NCAA
58%



Burks tied for 3rd for true shooting percentage.

True Shooting Percentage is adjusted to account for what a player adds to their efficiency and team's point total with free throw attempts and 3-pointers. A player who makes 4/10 3-pointers obviously contributes the same amount of points as a player who made 6/10 2-pointers—which doesn't show up in the traditional field goal percentage stat. This stat attempts to adjust for that.


Assists Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted

Turnovers Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted
Name
Team
League
TO/40p
LaceDarius Dunn
Baylor
NCAA
4
Klay Thompson
Washington State
NCAA
3.8
Scotty Hopson
Tennessee
NCAA
3.8
Bojan Bogdanovic
Cibona Zagreb
EURO
3.7
Bojan Bogdanovic
Cibona Zagreb
ADRIATIC
3.5
Tyler Honeycutt
UCLA
NCAA
3.4
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
3.2



Burks finished 5th in assist per-40 minutes adjusted pace.

Assist to Turnover Ratio
Name
Team
League
A/TO
Jon Diebler
Ohio State
NCAA
2.51
David Lighty
Ohio State
NCAA
2.1
E'Twaun Moore
Purdue
NCAA
1.77
DeAndre Liggins
Kentucky
NCAA
1.75
Gilbert Brown
Pittsburgh
NCAA
1.51
Justin Holiday
Washington
NCAA
1.44
Travis Leslie
Georgia
NCAA
1.37
Kawhi Leonard
San Diego State
NCAA
1.2
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
1.13



Burks had the 9th best assist to turnover ratio among the top 20 wings, but some ahead of him were not players that put the ball on the floor.

Rebounds Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted
Name
Team
League
Reb/40p
Kawhi Leonard
San Diego State
NCAA
13.5
Jordan Hamilton
Texas
NCAA
9.3
Jereme Richmond
Illinois
NCAA
9.2
Travis Leslie
Georgia
NCAA
9.1
Tyler Honeycutt
UCLA
NCAA
8.1
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
7.9



Burks 6th best rebounder per-40 minutes pace adjusted.


Another one of John Hollinger's gems, PER is a total measure of what a player does on the floor based on more than a dozen weighted calculations.


Player Efficiency Rating
Name
Team
League
PER
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
29.1


Burks is first on player efficiency rating. We got a heck of a player at the 12th pick offensive wise, and an absolute steal if he learns to focus his skills equally on the defensive end and can shoot the 3.


 
I like the stats. Heck, worst case scenario, we now have a very solid bench player that can run the floor, get into lanes, get to the FT line, and at times, carry the second team offensively. Great role player.
 
jazzrule said:
All of this information came from DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Just-By-the-Numbers-the-2011-Wing-Crop-3750/#ixzz1QcHROcIs
https://www.draftexpress.com posted at the beginning of this thread. I picked thru to determine what we really go with the 12th pick. Burks does not rank well on defense as far as far as steals, blocks, etc., and is not good coming onboard on 3 point percentage. Burks himself stated he did not do all that he could do on the defensive end. I wanted to look at the positives he brings in, so I pulled those stats that make him look like a possible steal at the 12th pick..
Draft Express
Top 20 wing crop in 2011 draft
Point Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted
Name
Team
League
Pts/40p
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
25.1


Burks is first in point per 40 minutes pace adjusted.

Attempts Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted
Name
Team
League
Fta/40p
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
9.7


Burks ranked first in free throw attempts per-40 minutes pace adjusted.

Free Throw Attempts Per Possession
Name
Team
League
FTA/Pos
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
0.45


Burks ranked first in free throw attempts per possession.

True Shooting Percentage
Name
Team
League
TS%
Jon Diebler
Ohio State
NCAA
73%
Marshon Brooks
Providence
NCAA
59%
Gilbert Brown
Pittsburgh
NCAA
59%
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
58%
Bojan Bogdanovic
Cibona Zagreb
ADRIATIC
58%
Klay Thompson
Washington State
NCAA
58%



Burks tied for 3rd for true shooting percentage.

True Shooting Percentage is adjusted to account for what a player adds to their efficiency and team's point total with free throw attempts and 3-pointers. A player who makes 4/10 3-pointers obviously contributes the same amount of points as a player who made 6/10 2-pointers—which doesn't show up in the traditional field goal percentage stat. This stat attempts to adjust for that.


Assists Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted

Turnovers Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted
Name
Team
League
TO/40p
LaceDarius Dunn
Baylor
NCAA
4
Klay Thompson
Washington State
NCAA
3.8
Scotty Hopson
Tennessee
NCAA
3.8
Bojan Bogdanovic
Cibona Zagreb
EURO
3.7
Bojan Bogdanovic
Cibona Zagreb
ADRIATIC
3.5
Tyler Honeycutt
UCLA
NCAA
3.4
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
3.2



Burks finished 5th in assist per-40 minutes adjusted pace.

Assist to Turnover Ratio
Name
Team
League
A/TO
Jon Diebler
Ohio State
NCAA
2.51
David Lighty
Ohio State
NCAA
2.1
E'Twaun Moore
Purdue
NCAA
1.77
DeAndre Liggins
Kentucky
NCAA
1.75
Gilbert Brown
Pittsburgh
NCAA
1.51
Justin Holiday
Washington
NCAA
1.44
Travis Leslie
Georgia
NCAA
1.37
Kawhi Leonard
San Diego State
NCAA
1.2
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
1.13



Burks had the 9th best assist to turnover ratio among the top 20 wings, but some ahead of him were not players that put the ball on the floor.

Rebounds Per-40 Minutes Pace Adjusted
Name
Team
League
Reb/40p
Kawhi Leonard
San Diego State
NCAA
13.5
Jordan Hamilton
Texas
NCAA
9.3
Jereme Richmond
Illinois
NCAA
9.2
Travis Leslie
Georgia
NCAA
9.1
Tyler Honeycutt
UCLA
NCAA
8.1
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
7.9



Burks 6th best rebounder per-40 minutes pace adjusted.


Another one of John Hollinger's gems, PER is a total measure of what a player does on the floor based on more than a dozen weighted calculations.


Player Efficiency Rating
Name
Team
League
PER
Alec Burks
Colorado
NCAA
29.1


Burks is first on player efficiency rating. We got a heck of a player at the 12th pick offensive wise, and an absolute steal if he learns to focus his skills equally on the defensive end and can shoot the 3.


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I'm still trying to figure out why he was outside the top ten. Wasn't he regarded as the best wing in the draft.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I'm still trying to figure out why he was outside the top ten. Wasn't he regarded as the best wing in the draft.
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2011 NBA Draft | June 23, 2011
Prudential Center, Newark, NJ
1.CLE - Kyrie Irving
2.MIN - Derrick Williams
3.UTA - Enes Kanter
4.CLE - Tristan Thompson
5.TOR - Jonas Valanciunas
6.WAS - Jan Vesely
7.SAC - Bismack Biyombo
8.DET - Brandon Knight
9.CHA - Kemba Walker
10.MIL - Jimmer Fredette
11.GSW - Klay Thompson
12.UTA - Alec Burks
13.PHX - Markieff Morris
14.HOU - Marcus Morris

Bold are Point Guards (so they don't count in "best wing" evaluation)
Underline are wings -
Jimmer and Klay are "pure shooters." They were taken for that skill. then Burks. And so those people who believe he can become a better (or much better) shooter believe he will be the best of the bunch, becuase he has the other skills.
 
im more worried about his defense, im sure he will improve shooting and then he will be a good offensive asset, but his defense seems all about stealing. He gotta take some lessons from Metta World Peace
 
I hear people talking about his poor outside shooting. Personally, if you look at the great players in the league today, most of them are better at driving to the hoop and get a majority of their points at the line (DRose, LeBrick, DWade). Jordan wasn't a good shooter until later in his career, and I see Burks's comparison to Wade; Wade really isn't a very good outside shooter. To be honest, there are only a couple stars in the league that are great outside shooters (Dirk, Durant, Kobe,etc)
 
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