Burks will be Rookie of the year.

[GVC]

Since those 17 minutes per game he got over there mean everything. I mean all 17 minutes he was in he was playing against NBA talent like Favors was last year.

And for you to call me ignorant is like calling the kettle black. The fact GVC that you back it up with nothing but names means nothing. Even the youtube video of him backing down Gasol means nothing.. it was 2 points.

My point is that everyone is automatically praising Kanter without seeing him and stating he has a much better post game than Favors.

I mean since you watched all of his Euro games are you referencing this game?
14 minutes, went 1/4 from the field with 1 rebound vs Spain (GASOL)

or this game?
14 Points - 7 Rebounds - 7/9 vs. Portcugal (Don't know any of those players)
or this game?
19 Points - 5 Rebounds - 3 Assists vs. Poland (Don't know any of those players)

Also to his credit he went 5/5 against Germany but since you mention Dirk, he didn't guard Kanter on any of those EXCELLENT post moves.

I watched all the games, and he was very productive when he was actually fed the ball in the post. Unfortunately, Turkey was dead set on chucking garbage from the perimeter.

You claimed that others' evaluations of Kanter were based on his play against "no competition". He competed against some of the top players in the world this summer, and, again, had absolutely no trouble backing down Chris Kaman and others. He was 4th in the tournament in 2-pt fg% (among qualified players). His footwork is good, but he's not explosive, so he's going to have to continue to get stronger to muscle his way into good shots. He's going to draw plenty of fouls down low.

How many of the games did you watch this summer?

 

[Dr. Jones]

I watched all the games, and he was very productive when he was actually fed the ball in the post. Unfortunately, Turkey was dead set on chucking garbage from the perimeter.

You claimed that others' evaluations of Kanter were based on his play against "no competition". He competed against some of the top players in the world this summer, and, again, had absolutely no trouble backing down Chris Kaman and others. He was 4th in the tournament in 2-pt fg% (among qualified players). His footwork is good, but he's not explosive, so he's going to have to continue to get stronger to muscle his way into good shots. He's going to draw plenty of fouls down low.

How many of the games did you watch this summer?

Good post, GVC. I may take it one stpe further and say that if Kanter would have been earlier in the tourney and more often, he would have shown more poise and shown better footwork and IQ. I always got the sense that he was in such a hurry to do something because he may never get the ball again.

Luckily for him, the Jazz, and us fans, we don't need him to be a monster this year anyway.

 

[cowhide]

The biggest obstacle is where he was drafted and the fact that he is playing in Utah. Burks needs to get off to a great start or he will be buried down on the ROY lists. Guys like Irving will be at the top simply because he was picked number 1. I think Burks has the ability to be ROY but he will have to be a lot better than other rookies in order to be picked ROY.

 

[Cope]

I watched all the games, and he was very productive when he was actually fed the ball in the post. Unfortunately, Turkey was dead set on chucking garbage from the perimeter.

You claimed that others' evaluations of Kanter were based on his play against "no competition". He competed against some of the top players in the world this summer, and, again, had absolutely no trouble backing down Chris Kaman and others. He was 4th in the tournament in 2-pt fg% (among qualified players). His footwork is good, but he's not explosive, so he's going to have to continue to get stronger to muscle his way into good shots. He's going to draw plenty of fouls down low.

How many of the games did you watch this summer?

So again, based off of highlights and limited play everyone feels he is a better low post player right now vs Favors? My point is simple, no one knows as we haven't seen enough of him to automatically give him that praise. Either way it's a win for the Jazz but I just don't see how you or anyone can do that quite yet.

 

[Nate505]

The biggest obstacle is where he was drafted and the fact that he is playing in Utah. Burks needs to get off to a great start or he will be buried down on the ROY lists. Guys like Irving will be at the top simply because he was picked number 1. I think Burks has the ability to be ROY but he will have to be a lot better than other rookies in order to be picked ROY.

Your posting about Burks in this thread is an outrage!

 

[Dr. Jones]

So again, based off of highlights and limited play everyone feels he is a better low post player right now vs Favors? My point is simple, no one knows as we haven't seen enough of him to automatically give him that praise. Either way it's a win for the Jazz but I just don't see how you or anyone can do that quite yet.

Whoa there .. I don't believe a single person said Kanter is 'a better low post player' than Favors. I read (and said) some stating that Kanter may have a better arsenal of low post moves. That does not take into account athleticism, defensive prowess, or anything OTHER than low post moves.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Your posting about Burks in this thread is an outrage!

+7 .. funny, I was thinking the same thing even though I was one of the culprits.

 

[GVC]

So again, based off of highlights and limited play everyone feels he is a better low post player right now vs Favors? My point is simple, no one knows as we haven't seen enough of him to automatically give him that praise. Either way it's a win for the Jazz but I just don't see how you or anyone can do that quite yet.

Maybe you should go back and read your post that I was responding to. Then read my posts.

 

[Cope]

Maybe you should go back and read your post that I was responding to. Then read my posts.

What you replied to was my comment that said his low post work vs Favors and how everyone says its superior? I think we are not on the same page regarding our disagreement.

 

[GVC]

To me, many are basing Kanters above average post work vs. no competition vs. Favors against NBA players.

I don't think anyone has seen enough of Kanter to say he has above average skills on the offensive side of the ball (Outside of maybe his outside shooting).

I opened my post with "no competition?". Dude showed he can bang with some legitimate professional basketball players this summer. To call Dirk, Kaman, Noah, Gasol, and the other big men he went up against "no competition" is ignorant.

 

[Cope]

I opened my post with "no competition?". Dude showed he can bang with some legitimate professional basketball players this summer. To call Dirk, Kaman, Noah, Gasol, and the other big men he went up against "no competition" is ignorant.

And again, in the games vs those players he didn't prove much to me on his low post moves outside of the one dunk vs. Gasol. In the Germany game, if I recall, all 5 baskets came against no names.

 

[jope]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwg9mTUuajE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I don't really care who has more post moves at this point, one thing I've noticed from highlights of both fellows... They are both stellar rebounders, it will at least be refreshing to see guys fighting for rebs. and if I were a betting man, from footage of favors I've been peepin, I'd bet he is going to be a monster, this year. And I am a betting man.

 

[Dr. Jones]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwg9mTUuajE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I don't really care who has more post moves at this point, one thing I've noticed from highlights of both fellows... They are both stellar rebounders, it will at least be refreshing to see guys fighting for rebs. and if I were a betting man, from footage of favors I've been peepin, I'd bet he is going to be a monster, this year. And I am a betting man.

Amen, Jope.

 

[Brown Notes]

To say that Kanter is going to be as impressive(or moreso) as Favors is very generous. Favors has shown, in NBA games, flashes of dominance.

As I have stated many times, a guy that just hasn't played a lot in real competition for a long time should not be expecting to be a huge contribution his first year, nor should that be expected. In the meantime, we get to showcase Favors. Next year maybe will be Kanter's time. Is that so bad?

To get on topic, I keep seeing hints that Hayward is our starting 3. If that is true, Burks will have a great opportunity to outshine CJ and Bell. If he's anywhere near as good as advertised Alec will beat both of those guys. ROY therefore is possible.

 

[cowhide]

The funny thing about this thread is that people are arguing about who is better between Kanter and Favors as if they are on different teams. The great thing is they are BOTH on the Jazz and I believe BOTH are very talented with great potential. I still think Burks is certainly a ROY candidate. What do you guys think?

 

[Stoked]

The funny thing about this thread is that people are arguing about who is better between Kanter and Favors as if they are on different teams. The great thing is they are BOTH on the Jazz and I believe BOTH are very talented with great potential. I still think Burks is certainly a ROY candidate. What do you guys think?

One thing I like about the Kanter - Favor combo is that they are said to excell at different areas of the game. Kanter is said to have a good offensive low post game. Favors can be a defensive low post stud. I think they will compliment each other nicely in the years to come. Maybe even rub off on each other a little so they both become more rounded players.

 

[One Brow]

Morris Almond had a great stroke in College and the D League didn't he?

Are you saying he did not have a good strole in the NBA? My impression, and what I recall of other's impressions, is that his technique was superior but his athleticism and aptitude was insufficient (which I acknowledged would be possible with Kanter, as well).

 

[NAOS]

One thing I like about the Kanter - Favors combo...they will compliment each other nicely......

"nice shot there, pal. Lookin good."

Maybe even rub off on each other a little...

"woh, buddy, what the hell..."

 

[Stoked]

"nice shot there, pal. Lookin good."




"woh, buddy, what the hell..."

Yes, I used the wrong word. As for the whole rubbing thing...well you never know. I am not close enough to them to either confirm nor deny.

 

[Cope]

I think Favors will be giving the Enis a few Favors in the season if you know what I mean.