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BYU Grad Judge orders same sex couple to give up their foster baby.

str8line said:
I get what you're saying, but it's almost always the religious who want to take away anothers rights, isn't it? If the LDS church weren't against gay people do you think he would have made this ruling?
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I disagree. Every movement wants to place their needs and wants above everyone elses. It is pronounced here because Mormons do have the power.

There are examples of this in pretty much every movement, ideology, group...
 
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str8line said:
I get what you're saying, but it's almost always the religious who want to take away anothers rights, isn't it? If the LDS church weren't against gay people do you think he would have made this ruling?
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that's fascism, bro. Sometimes religious communities get into fascism; sometimes they don't.
 
str8line said:
I get what your saying, but it's almost always the religious who want to take away anothers rights, isn't it? If the LDS church weren't against gay people do you think he would have made this ruling?
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I don't know if this guy goes to church, do you? To be honest, I don't even know what it means anymore to say a person is religious, or goes to church or even what it means to say a person is Mormon.

I don't know what motivated this guy to act so stupidly. But even someone from Price could know this wouldn't go unnoticed, and would bring a firestorm of attention. Most of us could probably make a pretty accurate prediction of how this will end. So why do it at all? To me, his history suggeststhat he likes to create controversy and bring the spotlight on himself. So in a way I do agree with you, if the headlines this week were not all about same sex couples being called apostates, i wonder, would he have made such a ruling?
 
Stoked said:
I disagree. Every movement wants to place their needs and wants above everyone elses. It is pronounced here because Mormons do have the power.
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This is what I was going to say. I don't think it has anything to do with LDS belief or LDS culture. It has to do with being an overwhelming majority and completely dominating politics. There is a view amongst many Utah Mormons that this is THEIR place and it's their right to run it they way they want to despite the fact that other people live here, and have deep roots here, as well.
 
A copy of the court order by Judge Scott Johansen, a juvenile court judge in Utah’s Seventh District, was not immediately available, but the Salt Lake Tribune confirmed its contents. Hoagland told KUTV that Johansen said that “through his research he had found out that kids in homosexual homes don’t do as well as they do in heterosexual homes.” She added that, when the judge was asked to show the research, he wouldn’t.
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So not only does he unwilling to show any evidence leading to his decision, but doesn't even consider that a child can be raised in an LGBT environment successfully(even if they don't "do as well")

In another unusual case, from 2012, Johansen pondered the fate of a teenager facing assault charges for cutting off most of a toddler’s hair. It was eye for an eye that day: Johansen ordered the teenager’s mother to cut off her daughter’s ponytail in exchange for a lighter sentence.
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Is this kind of thing normal in youth courts?
 
As a Utahn I'm tired of my state getting embarrassed over this.

Oh... Kentucky you think you can take the press on this with a measly county clerk? HA! We take your clerk and we raise you a judge. You can't hang with our anti-gayness, you Kentucky *** lovers.
 
♪alt13 said:
As a Utahn I'm tired of my state getting embarrassed over this.
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I'm much more concerned with gay people being classified as unworthy of equal rights. Actually there is a benefit to any mormon wackiness in that hopefully fewer people want to move here...I like my biking trails uncrowded and my powder untracked. :)
 
str8line said:
I get what you're saying, but it's almost always the religious who want to take away anothers rights, isn't it?
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Wow. This statement just ruined any and all credibility you may have had. Absolute moron.
 
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
 
Stoked said:
As well as race, economic status, political affiliation, gender, nationality... religion is no better and no worse.

Singling out religion as some big bad instead of just one more of the group is silly.
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True, but religion really is worse than the others. History has proved it. Actually, political oppression might have it on religion.
 
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