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BYU to the Big 12 discussion???

jazzman12 said:
It's hard to compare BYU's records with that of the Big East champions during the same span but I think your expectations for BYU in the new Big East are reasonable.
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To me it seems a lot like what Utah fans are saying about Utah's chances in the Pac 12: yes, the competition will be harder, but the recruits should also get better due to the BCS access.
 
JazzSpazz said:
In looking things over I don't think BYU will be a favorite per se, but I do see them in the top with a shot every year.
While leaving teams like WV, Pitt, and Syracuse have done well... so have other teams that are staying like Cincinnati, Connecticut, USF, Louisville, and Rutgers. Throwing Boise State in there will make it more interesting, but I also don't necessarily think BYU will be favored to win it every year or every other year. If they can pull it off every third or fourth year I think that will be a sign of success.... if this thing even happens.

/my 2 cents
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That was definitely a more accurate way of stating my thoughts than what was done above.
 
colton said:
To me it seems a lot like what Utah fans are saying about Utah's chances in the Pac 12: yes, the competition will be harder, but the recruits should also get better due to the BCS access.
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While I think schools like Utah, Boise State, Houston, etc would/will get boosts by joining an AQ conference, I'm curious to see how that works for BYU. For years and years now, I've been told by my BYU friends that BYU is "different" and that difference leads them to recruit a certain kind of kid. Now this is not a slam on BYU, but I feel that they have a more limited recruiting pool that's probably not going to grow all that much should they join the Big East. While Stanford is already has AQ status, they still recruit from a limited pool due to their academic standards. BYU's religious standards will probably keep them in a similar boat.

Where I do think AQ status helps BYU will be with the in-state LDS kids who are on the fence in regards to BYU or Utah. As of right now, Utah has a huge trump card with Pac12 status. BYU can negate that by some extent by being able to tout their own AQ status.

And even if BYU does get a recruiting bump from AQ status, remember that Boise, Houston, SMU, etc. will also be reaping similar rewards. Utah currently faces a similar situation. While recruiting will most likely continue to improve for them now that their in the Pac12, they're playing catch-up in a conference in which most schools have been out-recruiting Utah for decades.
 
jazzman12 said:
While I think schools like Utah, Boise State, Houston, etc would/will get boosts by joining an AQ conference, I'm curious to see how that works for BYU. For years and years now, I've been told by my BYU friends that BYU is "different" and that difference leads them to recruit a certain kind of kid. Now this is not a slam on BYU, but I feel that they have a more limited recruiting pool that's probably not going to grow all that much should they join the Big East. While Stanford is already has AQ status, they still recruit from a limited pool due to their academic standards. BYU's religious standards will probably keep them in a similar boat.

Where I do think AQ status helps BYU will be with the in-state LDS kids who are on the fence in regards to BYU or Utah. As of right now, Utah has a huge trump card with Pac12 status. BYU can negate that by some extent by being able to tout their own AQ status.

And even if BYU does get a recruiting bump from AQ status, remember that Boise, Houston, SMU, etc. will also be reaping similar rewards. Utah currently faces a similar situation. While recruiting will most likely continue to improve for them now that their in the Pac12, they're playing catch-up in a conference in which most schools have been out-recruiting Utah for decades.
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Very good points. Ultimately, I don't think a recruit will necessarily be swayed by AQ status by BYU or Utah. If BYU joins the Big East, they better be assured that conference will soon have a western quad. To just play Boise and then have to travel East to fill up the remaining away games is a huge disadvantage.

The Big East is just trying to survive in a landscape that likely gets shaken up in the 3-4 years anyway. BYU should stand pat and reap the rewards of their ESPN contract for now. There will be four superconferences soon. I think the Big East will have to split up and some menbers go with the SEC and some with the Big 10 or Big 12. Football and $ are driving this. Champiionship games within 16 team conferences (the minor bowl games), then 4 bowls to host the champions with a +1 for the national championship game (the 5 major bowls) is just too logical to not happen.
 
Maybe not so fast on the BYU to Big East talk? ESPN posted an article this morning saying the the BCS is considering only handling the national championship game and getting out of the other bowls all together.

https://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7248953/bcs-proposes-only-handling-national-championship-game-sources-say

The article speculates that under this scenario, the BCS would only be in charge of setting up a 1-v-2 match-up and the Rose, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls would all revert back to their pre-BCS existence and tie-ins. In short, AQ status would no longer exist. Obviously the lure for BYU to join the Big East begins and ends with gaining AQ status. Is there reason in the world BYU would still want to be in the Big East if AQ status was no longer a factor?
 
You know, it seems that BYU is doing exactly the OPPOSITE of what they stated was their mission(s).

#1 Exposure. It would seem to me, that the best way to get exposure would be to join a conference... A big conference... The Big 12 would have been the best option. The other would be this Big East deal. If the Big East were to fall apart in the next few years, who cares? What's preventing BYU from jumping ship and going Independent again? Or joining another conference?
Playing a worthless team at 8:15pm in November isn't getting you exposure.

#2 Play in a BCS bowl game. The only way BYU even gets a sniff of the BCS, is to go undefeated. In the last century of Football, how many times did BYU even accomplish that? Is going undefeated every 50-100 years really worth it?

#3a Spreading the gospel around. Playing New Mexico St. doesn't do that. Playing Texas does. What would be a better mission for the church than to plant BYU in the south? What would help the church's image more than to compete night and day in the Big 12?

#3b BYU was portrayed as an extension of the LDS church. In the recent negotiations, has BYU portrayed the church as giving, workable, charitable, and unselfish? Why are they acting as if Lebron and Duron's love child? It seems to me that BYU's drama queen negotiation with the Big 12 and now Big East is leaving a sour impression of BYU and the LDS Church more than whatever good the Football team is doing.

I personally think it's time for perhaps some big wig Alumni to get involved and wake up the BYU administration. You folks aren't Notre Dame or Texas yet. Work with the gentile nations of the Big 12 and Big East, not throw your weight around.
 
I think the confusion comes from church types making football decisions. Personally, I've never met somebody that converted to a church because of a football team, but It's possible it has happened. I have however known people that have no connection to BYU that loved them when they used air it out all the time that are big BYU fans still. I miss that BYU and I only caught the tailwind of it myself.

I think Boise State is doing a better job converting right now.
 
I rarely agree with Thriller and Duck, but those last 2 posts hit it out of the park. It really seems as if BYU is going to trip over it's ego yet again while attempting to join a big conference. Plus, if BYU ends up on the outside looking in after all this, I don't think they should get a pass for being "different" and holding themselves to a higher "standard" than everybody else. BYU is not missing out on these opportunities because of religion, morals, beliefs, etc. It's greed and nothing more. They want to keep their independent TV deals in place while getting access to all of the perks one of these conferences has to offer. It sounds like everybody but BYU has figured out that they aren't that big of a fish.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I think the confusion comes from church types making football decisions. Personally, I've never met somebody that converted to a church because of a football team, but It's possible it has happened. I have however known people that have no connection to BYU that loved them when they used air it out all the time that are big BYU fans still. I miss that BYU and I only caught the tailwind of it myself.

I think Boise State is doing a better job converting right now.
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There's a lot to like in this post. However, I couldn't disagree more about BYU Football and its power of conversion.

Just how many kids grow up with an interest in BYU because of its Football team? Just how many grow up trying to emulate those players? Just how many are stronger socially, academically, and spiritually because of youth activities (like going to the games)?
At least one non-member of the BYU Football team is baptized per year. How many more are attracted to BYU, learn from the program, meet their significant others, because of the Football program?

My father is yet another example. Despite living in Utah for most of his life, he had never really become attracted to the LDS religion until he became a BYU student and helped with the Football program. He became acquainted with folks like Norm Chow and Lavell Edwards, and later became a baptized member.

Sports and the various activities the church (and BYU) sponsor, provide opportunities (both socially and spiritually) for millions. Personally, I think the best choice would have been crawling on their hands and knees to get into the BIG 12. Could you imagine the Football schedule? Or better yet, could you imagine the Basketball, Track, and Baseball schedules? Think the Mariott Center wouldn't sell out every game if they were to play Kansas, Texas, OU, Texas Tech, and Baylor every week? Think the Provo economy wouldn't see a boost? How would exposing BYU to the south NOT benefit the church?

Crawling on their hands and knees, begging to be accepted by the Big 12, was the one and only option. Who cares if the BIG 12 explodes in the next few years? Go Indep again or join another conference.

Unfortunately, you have many arrogant English and Physics professors, whose knowledge of this subject matter is extremely limited, who have large egos, who help make these decisions.

Huge mistake.

The gospel can improve lives. BYU and church decision makers are still people, and have the same weaknesses as those at any other university. BYU may complain about the selfish and greedy BCS people. Yet, when given opportunity... Sadly... they're acting in the same selfish and arrogant way.

I truly am disappointed in BYU. If they cannot find the humility necessary to get into a big conference and actually play competition, then I'm afraid that I, like so many others, will need to find a team who will. Playing no one after week 3, while playing late games in the freezing cold, while dumping your other sports in HS gyms/stadiums, acting as if you're Lebron James, is so disappointing.
For preachers of the gospel, they're doing a poor job by not working WITH others. I'd expect this type of conduct from Lebron or the Players Union. Not from a school whose mission supposedly is to "spread the word."
 
jazzman12 said:
I rarely agree with Thriller and Duck, but those last 2 posts hit it out of the park. It really seems as if BYU is going to trip over it's ego yet again while attempting to join a big conference. Plus, if BYU ends up on the outside looking in after all this, I don't think they should get a pass for being "different" and holding themselves to a higher "standard" than everybody else. BYU is not missing out on these opportunities because of religion, morals, beliefs, etc. It's greed and nothing more. They want to keep their independent TV deals in place while getting access to all of the perks one of these conferences has to offer. It sounds like everybody but BYU has figured out that they aren't that big of a fish.
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This.
 
Wow. News is starting to trickle out that BYU to the Big East is in fact, dead:

https://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7271078/byu-ends-negotiations-not-join-big-east-according-report

IMO, This was a pretty telling line from the story:


At issue are television rights. The person says BYU wanted to retain the rights to its home football games and the league could not agree to that.

No other school in major college football playing in a conference has such a deal.
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Apparently the hubris down at BYU knows no bounds.
 
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One thing that really is starting to tick me off, is how secretive BYU is being with negotiations. Do they really not care what the rest of us think? who the hell is their PR guy?

Folks, you have fans that pay damn good money for your crap. IMO, they're shooting themselves in the foot acting like Dick Cheney. they need to be out in the papers and airwaves explaining what they're doing and why. If you want to maintain your indep status, then come out and state it. If you're looking into joining another conference, come out and say it.

When Utah was dating the PAC, they were pretty damn obvious about it. As a result, fans became more excited and interested in the school and the various sports programs.

It just sends the wrong message when you have coaches, who are obvious about what they want (Bronco obviously wants a big conference), the school is secretive and arrogant (sending the message that fans need to eat whatever they serve them), and speculation and rumors just fill the airwaves.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I think the confusion comes from church types making football decisions. Personally, I've never met somebody that converted to a church because of a football team, but It's possible it has happened. I have however known people that have no connection to BYU that loved them when they used air it out all the time that are big BYU fans still. I miss that BYU and I only caught the tailwind of it myself.

I think Boise State is doing a better job converting right now.
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Speaking of Boise St. Jeez! Look @ them! They went from the WAC to the Big East! A few years ago, no one knew about or cared about that school. today, they're rarely NOT discussed when it comes to college FB...
 
The Thriller said:
Speaking of Boise St. Jeez! Look @ them! They went from the WAC to the Big East! A few years ago, no one knew about or cared about that school. today, they're rarely NOT discussed when it comes to college FB...
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They were division 2 not so long ago also. That football program has come a long way.
 
This will all be irrelevant in a few scant years when the BCS reconfigures itself to re-exclude all the uppity mid majors that have weaseled their way into the big boys' club.
 
From a recruiting angle, how in the hell can you spin this prima donna self-harm to anyone, but especially in-state kids? I don't know the finances, but from a football angle it looks like BYU is just killing themselves. If Utah wasn't in the PAC 12 already it might not matter, but now...?
 
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