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BYU to the Big 12 discussion???

I've always tried to be respectful when discussing Utah/BYU. I'm not a BYU hater, I'm more of a live and let live guy. Apparently I've failed. Sorry Spazz.

I didn't realize that by expressing an opinion about BYU's situation, as a Utah fan, I was automatically thumbing my nose at their fans. Or that the street of disrespect only flows one way. I am a victim of my own ignorance.
 
Bronco70 said:
I've always tried to be respectful when discussing Utah/BYU. I'm not a BYU hater, I'm more of a live and let live guy. Apparently I've failed. Sorry Spazz.

I didn't realize that by expressing an opinion about BYU's situation, as a Utah fan, I was automatically thumbing my nose at their fans. Or that the street of disrespect only flows one way. I am a victim of my own ignorance.
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It's OK Bronco, not all of us can be perfect. FWIW, I'm sorry I called you a retard.
 
JazzSpazz said:
Yes. I don't have links, so this is just off of memory.

BYU would have gone independent earlier, or joined another conference given the right circumstance except they felt some loyalty to the University of Utah. They also felt bad about leaving Utah State behind way back when. I heard rumblings of BYU going independent, or somehow getting out of the MWC years before The U went to the Pac 12 but they would not pull the trigger on it specifically because of the U.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this, and I'm sure you will.... but I am not wrong.

Do I blame the U for going to the Pac 12 alone? No. I'm just saying BYU would not have done it out of loyalty. Is that dumb of them? Financially it could be, as to exposure it could be, but if they are trying to stand by their friends I don't think it's wrong.

Yes, I said friends.
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It's a neat story, without any substance to it what so ever. If you want to hear a good story about BYU's in-state loyalty, ask Utah State about how BYU completely screwed the Aggies out of a chance to join the MWC last year. Or about the time BYU magically decided that they were going to start wearing Aggie Blue.
 
jazzman12 said:
I guess where people like us start to differ is that you think BYU holding out for guaranteed TV games and rights to broadcasts on BYUtv is somehow making BYU more look more noble than Utah and I just think it means that BYU has mistaken their place on the food chain.
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It's certainly noble from certain standpoints but for the most part not really at least not how I mean it. It's just different and always has been. Some fans just don't get that BYU's motivations are different than 99% of the programs out there. I don't blame any conferences for turning away BYU given their demands and profile. But I don't fault BYU for sticking by their guns. For sure it hurts football and moreso Bronco but it is what it is.

Like I said, if BYU never makes any demands they are in a big conference 20 years ago. So if that was the priority it would've happened back then.
 
CONAN said:
But I don't fault BYU for sticking by their guns.
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Neither do I. I think most (rational) Utah fans understand that BYU has a different agenda than most schools, and that the football program works around that agenda, not vice versa. And I do believe it's noble that they have not sold their soul for football.

My issue is the persistent assertion that Utah somehow whored itself by jumping to the first big conference that would take it. Different school, different agenda, right? Utah has been eyeing the PAC12 for literally decades. And they put themselves into a position to be invited. I know it suits cougar fan to believe that Utah fell into it, by pity, accident, or just dumb luck. But the truth of the matter is, the PAC12 is happy to have them and they are happy to be there. And they don't feel like they need to go talk to their bishop because of it.
 
I don't fault Utah for going to the Pac 12. I think BYU is trying to get into a BCS conference. They just want to do on their own terms. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. I dislike the BCS system, but under the present circumstances, it's the best place to be. Personally, I would prefer to see BYU in a BCS conference and I don't discredit the idea of them going to the Big East with Boise and Air Force to form a western division. Provided the Big East allowed them to keep their own broadcast rights, it would allow them to fulfill their stated desires of exposure to the most people. Sunday play isn't that big of an issue for a conference that wants BYU.
 
I pretty much understand where the BYU fans are coming from on this one. I would just be bummed out if I was a Cougar fan and due to BYU's demands, they get left out. If you're stuck as an independent, is it really that great playing teams like Idaho and Idaho St. every November while having 2 bye weeks during that same month just so you can say that at least BYU retained their rights for broadcasts on BYUtv? Is BYUtv really going to help bring BYU to massive amounts of potential new fans, or is it simply going to cater to the people who already follow BYU? As an independent, is BYU really going to get that much more legit national TV games (meaning actually on ESPN as opposed to ESPN3 or ESPNU) than they would in the Big 12 if they dropped some of their demands?
 
jazzman12 said:
It's a neat story, without any substance to it what so ever. If you want to hear a good story about BYU's in-state loyalty, ask Utah State about how BYU completely screwed the Aggies out of a chance to join the MWC last year. Or about the time BYU magically decided that they were going to start wearing Aggie Blue.
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You are a neat story, without any substance what so ever, but go ahead and try to deflect the truth. The fact is BYU did not leave the conference until Utah was gone already. Utah left the conference without much of a care of what it would do to the BYU rivalry or relationship. You should know that BYU and the Aggies had a deal in place where BYU would have all sports but football in the WAC with the Aggies. Then other schools that were part of the deal decided to bolt the WAC for the Mtn West when they offered. The Aggies decided not to accept the offer to go to the Mountain West (they should have in hindsight) because they were still trying to salvage the WAC deal, but it was too late. Even though your school has nothing to do with it, go ahead and blame BYU if it makes you feel better... but with all this talk of "intellectual honesty", if you had any you would know the deal was blown apart by the other schools more than BYU. For all I know it was the U that suggested the Mountain West invite those WAC schools. Who cares about BYU wearing "Aggie Blue"? Its a stinking color. Do all college teams wear different colors? Shouldn't the Army be ticked when the Utes wear those stupid camo type uni's? Geez, give me a break.
 
Bronco70 said:
I've always tried to be respectful when discussing Utah/BYU. I'm not a BYU hater, I'm more of a live and let live guy. Apparently I've failed. Sorry Spazz.

I didn't realize that by expressing an opinion about BYU's situation, as a Utah fan, I was automatically thumbing my nose at their fans. Or that the street of disrespect only flows one way. I am a victim of my own ignorance.
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You are just being snarky, but I'll bite.

I apologize for hurting your tender feelings. I didn't realize that by expressing an opinion about Utah fans, as a BYU fan, that I was automatically attacking you in a sensitive area. Did I claim disrespect went one way? I cannot argue with your ignorance comment, but that would be a good sig for some BYU fan to put up if they found you highly annoying.

BTW, who cares if there is a neener, neener attitude oozing out of your red skin? It's a rivalry. It does go both ways. Just don't cry about it whey I point it out.

Here's another one for you though. Ute fans claim Cougar fans have this "holier than thou", or I'm better than you attitude. Turnaround is fair play, but this "holier than thou" attitude Ute fans despise so much... is the attitude many Ute fans have now. I just find it interesting that something you hate so much is now part of you.

You ever hate something your parents did or said to you, and find yourself doing the same thing to someone else (your kids) later in life.

Weird
 
JazzSpazz said:
You are just being snarky, but I'll bite.

I apologize for hurting your tender feelings. I didn't realize that by expressing an opinion about Utah fans, as a BYU fan, that I was automatically attacking you in a sensitive area. Did I claim disrespect went one way? I cannot argue with your ignorance comment, but that would be a good sig for some BYU fan to put up if they found you highly annoying.

BTW, who cares if there is a neener, neener attitude oozing out of your red skin? It's a rivalry. It does go both ways. Just don't cry about it whey I point it out.

Here's another one for you though. Ute fans claim Cougar fans have this "holier than thou", or I'm better than you attitude. Turnaround is fair play, but this "holier than thou" attitude Ute fans despise so much... is the attitude many Ute fans have now. I just find it interesting that something you hate so much is now part of you.

You ever hate something your parents did or said to you, and find yourself doing the same thing to someone else (your kids) later in life.

Weird
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You should have kept reading. We established that I'm retarded. I forgive you.

Besides, as far as being snarky goes, those who live in glass houses...
 
Bronco70 said:
You should have kept reading. We established that I'm retarded. I forgive you.

Besides, as far as being snarky goes, those who live in glass houses...
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Yes I am snarky, and it's fun to throw stones in glass houses. Much more fun that way. Don't you find broken glass more exciting than dented walls?
 
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