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BYU to the Big 12 discussion???

Oh please, your fans are challenging Conan to fights. conan of all people. Come now.

If anyone makes any comment about your boys, you folks are all over them. You talk about the Fiesta Bowl and post pictures of Brian Johnson all over the place. If there's anyone who needs the baby powder right now, it's Ute fans. I can't blame you. You have no QB, you're winless, and your defense is giving up 33 points in your last 3 conference games.

Whoa big fella. 1 Utah fan was involved with Conan in that one and it's not like your boy was a complete innocent in that either. As far as the other stuff, it's been awhile since I've seen anybody post a pic of Brian Johnson, etc. but perhaps I missed it. We're also well aware of Utah's QB problems, etc. but thanks for the reminder.
 
Whoa big fella. 1 Utah fan was involved with Conan in that one and it's not like your boy was a complete innocent in that either. As far as the other stuff, it's been awhile since I've seen anybody post a pic of Brian Johnson, etc. but perhaps I missed it. We're also well aware of Utah's QB problems, etc. but thanks for the reminder.

Good. Just as long as you recognize that there are two sides of this story. I just get tired of how homerish some of you guys are. You act as if nothing is wrong. Your team has some huge holes. And if I were you, I'd be a little worried. Next year, is more probable to be more of the same. You either start broken Wynn, crappy Hays, or start a very young inexperienced QB... Yikes! And who from your offense line is going to step up? I think it's painfully obvious that the offensive side of the ball has been forgotten/neglected for a few years now. Inexperience/lack of assertiveness from Roddick. And having a DC head coach probably didn't help either.

I think most of us wanted to see you compete well this year. It would be a victory for all the rest of us little guys. Boise St, TCU, BYU, Houston, Hawaii, etc.

However, you laying an egg, and then acting as if getting your asses kicked by Cal is somehow acceptable, and then bashing BYU, is a joke. that's bush league man, bush league.

Listen, I think any rational BYU fan would admit that Utah is a more talented team this year. Also, Doman is a very questionable (and this is kind) OC.

Nelson isn't a Div I QB for any good team. Yet, Hypes isn't a legit Div I QB for anyone. He's a complete bust. A Carlos Boozer like player. Who amazes you with his strong arm and talents. Yet, he has no instincts, no leadership, and is constantly talking about "we" instead of "I."

John Beck, had half the talent Hypes did. Yet, the dude was sincere, a leader, a competitor. He took responsibility when the team lost when it clearly wasn't even his fault.

Max Hall, despite his stupid comments, turnovers, and failures to read defenses, could at least get the job done most of the time.

BYU doesn't need Hypes. they have proven over 30+ years to be able to compete at pretty good (probably not BCS) levels without having "great" talent at the QB position.

Right now, BYU just needs a guy like Max Hall.

True, to win a NC, they'll probably need someone of special talent (although, that's not a given. Just look at what Brian Johnson did for Utah).

Likewise, Brian Johnson didn't have half the arm Hypes does. Yet, I'd take Brian Johnson RIGHT NOW, without conditioning or understanding of the BYU offense, and play him before I'd ever play Hypes.

to me, if Nelson beats TCU and leads the Cougs to an undefeated season, let him finish his career as a starter. Then, reload and get the QB that we want.

If Hypes wants to transfer, let him. He hasn't proven that he can even run a Dairy Queen (thanks Cuban).

BYU will survive. Hypes, will not. His eligibility clock is already ticking down. Maybe next time he'll watch film, actually get stronger, and workout with the receivers this next off season. But that might be too little too late.....
 
Just as long as you recognize that there are two sides of this story. I just get tired of how homerish some of you guys are. You act as if nothing is wrong. Your team has some huge holes.

With one notable exception, I'm not sure who you're talking about. I think we've been fairly realistic regarding our team this season. Perhaps it upsets you to see any sort of optimism, but as fans, that's what keeps us going. We are entitled to hope for the best, just like any other fan.
 
Whoa big fella. 1 Utah fan was involved with Conan in that one and it's not like your boy was a complete innocent in that either. As far as the other stuff, it's been awhile since I've seen anybody post a pic of Brian Johnson, etc. but perhaps I missed it. We're also well aware of Utah's QB problems, etc. but thanks for the reminder.

I'm always here to oblige:

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We need to have a Jazzfanz weight lifting comp with all the tough guys offering to exchange blows on here. Maybe a fight club.
 
You guys are still talking like BYU's not going to the Big 12. Shame on you.

Your vote of confidence is probably the kiss of death on the whole thing.

I think it's really going to be tough (but not impossible) for BYU to get in now. Sounds like WVU is in and if the conference eventually gets back to 12, Louisville is reportedly pushing hard for an invite. If the interest is mutual, that leaves 1 potential spot for BYU. Doesn't seem to make sense to have 1 team in your conference sitting all alone out west when there's viable options closer to your footprint.

Plus, is BYU going to eat a slice of humble pie and come down from some of their demands, or are they going to continue to try and play the "Don't you know who we are?" card?
 
Since when does, "Not settling" and "Standing up for your beliefs" equal "Don't you know who we are?"

Awesome, you guys sold out to the Devil's abortion, the BCS, without a second thought. Congrats on being bitches. Forgive us for having the balls to stand by our guns.
 
Since when does, "Not settling" and "Standing up for your beliefs" equal "Don't you know who we are?"

Awesome, you guys sold out to the Devil's abortion, the BCS, without a second thought. Congrats on being bitches. Forgive us for having the balls to stand by our guns.

Your false sense of superiorty on this one is borderline sickening. Even your AD has been quoted as saying that BYU had every "intention" of ending up with the "big boys". I guess he is just another whore like the rest of them, right?

Get over yourself and the fact that you think BYU is on some type of moral crusade because they're not.
 
Nelson is so much better than Hypes it isn't even funny. Leading the team to over 350 total yards of offense against the Horned Frogs was good enough. Turnovers, stupid 4th down decisions, and punting hurt.

But with that high five to the ref, that basically sealed the deal for me. Nelson should be the starting QB from here on out... Hypes can transfer now. Personally, I hope he goes to the U (saw an article on the Dnews about this). His entitlement attitude and uncanny ability to throw the ball 10 yards out of bounds on streak and fade routes would do wonders to their offense.
 
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......Hypes can transfer now. Personally, I hope he goes to the U (saw an article on the Dnews about this). His entitlement attitude and uncanny ability to throw the ball 10 yards out of bounds on streak and fade routes would do wonders to their offense.


I mean this without insult (although I'm sure it will be treated as an atttack), but I'm seriously astonished at how quickly most BYU fans are turning on Golden Boy Heaps. He was being touted by all of you as the savior and now he's like the Ebola virus. Perhaps we can use Heaps as "Exhibit A" in the future as proof of most BYU fans tendancies to over-hype anything and everything that is BYU? Ok, so that last sentence was an insult. Don't worry, you guys still have 1984 and obviously that means everything is gonna be ok.

As far as the media saying he should transfer to Utah, that's just the media trying to spew out a headline. As far as I know, Heaps has no ties to this state aside from his LDS faith which brought him to BYU. My guess is that if he does transfer, he'll try to get himself back into the Pacific Northwest region and closer to home. The Washington Huskies may not need him, but I would have to think the likes of Oregon State or Washington State would be glad to have him.

I'm still not sure about all of these "entitlement atttitude" rumors. That seems to be the company line coming out of BYU fans mouth's these days but it seems to be spotty speculation at best. However, if the kid did show interest in transferring to Utah, that would show some serious spite towards BYU. Hard not to like that. I still think I'd pass on BYU's leftovers though.
 
He was being touted by all of you as the savior and now he's like the Ebola virus.

Hypes was highly touted by scouts and local media.

I think most rational football fans, yes, expected much more out of his this year. But I don't think anyone declared him Andrew Luck.

Most fans were on the wait and see approach. I for one, never saw enough leadership and maturity out of him to call BYU their "savior."
 
As someone who has no vested interest here and has seen Heaps and Nelson a couple times each, it's a no-brainer. Nelson is infinitely better than Heaps/
 
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I've never understood the hype about Heaps. I've never seen the greatness. Even last year, when he looked so good, I still didn't see it. Yes, he led the team to a bunch of victories, and looked good doing it. But against those teams he was playing, my then 3 year old son could have done that.
 
I've never understood the hype about Heaps. I've never seen the greatness. Even last year, when he looked so good, I still didn't see it. Yes, he led the team to a bunch of victories, and looked good doing it. But against those teams he was playing, my then 3 year old son could have done that.

This.

Yes, he's got a strong arm. But he's not very accurate with the ball. and he doesn't have the intangibles that some guys have.

Just look @ Denver. Tebow sucks. and I doubt he's the QB of the future. He'll probably be out of the league in a few years. But look at what he did last game. He's still has those "it" moments, where that leadership, that big play ability, that being at the right place at the right time ability is there.

Tebow probably isn't going to pan out. But I don't think anyone can doubt the dude's leadership and "it" factor.

Harline, Collie, Brian Johnson, and Beck all had it.

Hypes? Hasn't shown it, at all...

Strong arm doesn't mean anything.

Nelson has it... That competitive drive, that toughness... whether or not that translates into BYU ever winning a game against a good opponent, I don't know...

But one thing is for sure, Hypes can't beat anyone good with his immature, emotionless, pathetic play.
 
Tebow will not be out of the game in a few years. He'll win his fair share of games, has massive intangibles and is a great character guy. He could be a backup for years if he wanted.
 
Tebow will not be out of the game in a few years. He'll win his fair share of games, has massive intangibles and is a great character guy. He could be a backup for years if he wanted.

You're probably right.

I was just emphasizing how despite Hypes' arm, he lacks those "it" qualities.
 
No question BYU would have lost that game by about 40 if Heaps played. He would have gone into panic attack mode after the punting game cost BYU a few scores and made stupid decisions. At least Riley's stupid decisions were because he was trying to make something happen - I can live with that. The throw to the endzone wasn't that bad. The lateral was really stupid though.
 
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