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BYU to the Big 12 discussion???

jazzman12 said:
Perhaps we should rename this thread to: BYU to the Big East discussion?????
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Please no. Although I do like basketball better than football so if somehow that conference could keep those top Eastern schools and BYU would actually get to play them often and not just the watered down Western division, that might be intriguing. That conference is going to fall apart even further though. I think the Big Least + MWC + WAC + Conference USA mumble jumble they were trying to throw together is still going to be what ultimately happens with the leftovers. Quasi strength in numbers power play, suckas!
 
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CONAN said:
BYU will go wherever their demands are met.
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She'll find a rich, successful man when her demands are met.
 
CONAN said:
I wonder if Utah made any demands of the Pac12.
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You mean other then to be added? No we're all drunk sluts that know we're attractive enough to be wanted and we are self aware enough that we know we're not the uber hot super model and know not to go up to George Clooney making demands and expect him to take us seriously.

So I think YB's pic fits your situation pretty well.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
You mean other then to be added? No we're all drunk sluts that know we're attractive enough to be wanted and we are self aware enough that we know we're not the uber hot super model and know not to go up to George Clooney making demands and expect him to take us seriously.

So I think YB's pic fits your situation pretty well.
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Really? I think it fits more the "just happy to be here" mantra that is Utah in the Pac12.
 
CONAN said:
Really? I think it fits more the "just happy to be here" mantra that is Utah in the Pac12.
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How does it fit Utah? And how is being in the Pac-12 even remotely a bad thing for them? Happy to be here? Try "****ing Ecstatic". It beats being lost in the wilderness and having 8:30 kickoff times against New Mexico State so that ESPNU can fit the game in the schedule.
 
YB85 said:
How does it fit Utah? And how is being in the Pac-12 even remotely a bad thing for them? Happy to be here? Try "****ing Ecstatic".
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OK edit then. I think that pic fits Utah's "just ****ing ecstatic to be here" mantra.
 
I am seriously trying to not fall on the floor laughing about the "BYU will go where their demands are met" remark.

They're a much smaller fish trying to get into a much bigger pond than most of their fans or administration will ever realize. If BYU's "demands" are being reported correctly, they'll be independent for a long, long time.
 
jazzman12 said:
I am seriously trying to not fall on the floor laughing about the "BYU will go where their demands are met" remark.

They're a much smaller fish trying to get into a much bigger pond than most of their fans or administration will ever realize. If BYU's "demands" are being reported correctly, they'll be independent for a long, long time.
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Intellectual honesty: Get some.
 
TroutBum said:
Intellectual honesty: Get some.
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Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about you.

Look, you like BYU's independence and hope they stay there. Props to you for standing you're ground. But let's be completely intellectually honest about this (since you love that term so much): Tom Holmoe and the rest of the BYU football program probably want nothing more than to join a BCS conference for the chance to compete at a higher level. That's what competitors want to do right? They want to get into the fight and prove they belong.

However, you've got this other side to BYU that is worried about all of the other stuff, and so far it's making it very tough for them to get into one of these conferences. I don't think Sunday play is an issue. The Big 12 or Big East know damn well that BYU will never play on Sundays before they even pick up the phone to call them. The real problem here is BYU's belief that they're big enough to hold onto their BYUtv rights as well as deserving some sort of guarantees from TV networks.

If we're going to be completely intellecutally honest, let's do it: BYU is not Notre Dame, they are not Texas, they are not even close. These "demands" that are being spoken of probably aren't even being considered by the likes of the Big 12. BYU was reportedly one of the first teams the Big 12 started discussions with in regards to filling some vacancies. Yet since that time, TCU and West Virginia have accepted invitations and Louisville is reportedly very high on their list if they decide to invite another school anytime soon. It sounds like none of those schols had any type of demands in regards to promised TV appearances or any type of broadcast rights on their own TV network.

Anybody who wants to be "intellectually honest" can see whats going on here. BYU is overvaluing their product and nobody is interested in giving into their demands thus far. Also, the fact still remains that they will probably have to come down on their demands quite a bit if they really do want to join a BCS conference.

However, I will have to admit one thing: I'm starting to seriously doubt whether or not BYU really wants in one of these conferences. I think they like the West Coast Conference pairing for all of their other sports and I think they at least wanted to show an effort to get into a bigger conference for football so their fans wouldn't totally revolt on them. By having such a steep asking price in regards to their demands, BYU can negotiate with these conferences with little likelyhood of ever being accepted, yet they can still sell their fans on the fact that they tried. And maybe, just maybe you eventually get a conference like the Big East so desperate for survival that they decide to give BYU everything they want. Either way BYU can claim victory. It's actually pretty genius.
 
Your post started off pretty stupid, but ended quite poignantly.

You assume that I really give a damn about where BYU ends up, which is false. I really could give a rats ***, as long as Utah is on the schedule. I don't care if we're independent, BCS, ABC, 123, HIV -- it doesn't matter to me. What matters is that we keep our good name, which means we don't pull a Utah and piss/moan/cry about the BCS and how unfair and biased they are, but then JUMP at the chance to join up with them; all the while gaining your disgusting "we're in a BCS conference now, and you're not -- neener, neener, neener!" attitude.

Thank the Gods that BYU has stood their ground and not given into to Satan himself. We do it our way or no way at all. F-them, we won't do what they tell us.
 
freakazoid said:
All joking aside, I'm a little confused about the girl in the pic. Aren't the Cougar cheerleaders required to wear garments? I hope this doesn't get her kicked off the squad.
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Only those that have been through the temple. Maybe she hasn't gone through yet?
 
TroutBum said:
What matters is that we keep our good name, which means we don't pull a Utah and piss/moan/cry about the BCS and how unfair and biased they are, but then JUMP at the chance to join up with them...
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You really shouldn't keep going to the Intellectual Honesty card if you're going to say things like this.

The BCS is definitely an unfair and biased system. I don't think anyone's mind has changed about that. But the fact of the matter is, it is better for Utah to be in the PAC12 than not. Of course they JUMP at the chance. I also think that a lot of the "neener, neener, neener..." is in your head. You have already decided how Utah fans are, and whatever they do, really, is going to support your stereotype, in your mind. All fans do this, projecting on their rivals.

While I appreciate your seizing of the moral high ground, I find it difficult to believe that you would be upset if, say, BYU had moved on to the BIG12 and Utah remained in the MWC. Am I totally wrong?
 
Bronco70 said:
You really shouldn't keep going to the Intellectual Honesty card if you're going to say things like this.

The BCS is definitely an unfair and biased system. I don't think anyone's mind has changed about that. But the fact of the matter is, it is better for Utah to be in the PAC12 than not. Of course they JUMP at the chance. I also think that a lot of the "neener, neener, neener..." is in your head. You have already decided how Utah fans are, and whatever they do, really, is going to support your stereotype, in your mind. All fans do this, projecting on their rivals.

While I appreciate your seizing of the moral high ground, I find it difficult to believe that you would be upset if, say, BYU had moved on to the BIG12 and Utah remained in the MWC. Am I totally wrong?
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Well said.

Trout seems to have this all or nothing type attitude that just beause Utah joined the Pac 12, their fans MUST be in favor of the current BCS system. Fact is, Ute fans still think it is a flawed, unfair system that needs to be abolished in favor of a true playoff. The only way his argument would hold any water is if Utah fans were coming in here in droves proclaiming the BCS to be just fine and dandy. I haven't seen that happen 1 single time in here or anywhere else for that matter. While the BCS is a horrible way in which to determine a national champion, it shouldn't prohibit Utah from moving up to a conference that is better across the board compared to where they were playing. I guess Utah and it's fans should apologize for improving their situation?

The other flaw in his argument is his assupmtion that BYU sticking to their guns has something to do with some sort of moral high ground and integrity. It does not. The issues keeping BYU out of the Big 12 are almost certainly not religious (Sunday play, etc.). BYU wants certain promises of exposure as well as to keep their football program tied to BYUtv. IMO that makes them no different than any other school who would be trying to get the best deal for themselves. While there's certainly nothing wrong with that, to turn it around and try it make it about integrity and sticking to your guns is just absurd.
 
Bronco70 said:
You really shouldn't keep going to the Intellectual Honesty card if you're going to say things like this.

The BCS is definitely an unfair and biased system. I don't think anyone's mind has changed about that. But the fact of the matter is, it is better for Utah to be in the PAC12 than not. Of course they JUMP at the chance. I also think that a lot of the "neener, neener, neener..." is in your head. You have already decided how Utah fans are, and whatever they do, really, is going to support your stereotype, in your mind. All fans do this, projecting on their rivals.

While I appreciate your seizing of the moral high ground, I find it difficult to believe that you would be upset if, say, BYU had moved on to the BIG12 and Utah remained in the MWC. Am I totally wrong?
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Bronco70 again.
 
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