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Can Burks play PG?

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utahjazz107

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I mean from watching him play garbage minutes, he makes some pretty good passes underneath the basket to set up easy baskets. He can definitely beat a point guard off the dribble also. I think he would be similar to Rodney Stuckey who IMO is much better than Harris. The sooner we find out the better so we can trade away Big Al and Harris. This also allows us to move Hayward back to the 2.

Our future team could be:

PG: Burks
SG: Hayward
SF: Gilchrist
PF: Favors
C: Kanter
 
David Ginola 14 said:
Burks must play SG....
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Why?

He has more PG skills than SG skills in my eyes. He a guy that seems to need the ball to be successful. He does not have a great jump shot. He is pretty good with the ball, Both creating for himself and others. He seems to be able to make some tough passes.

At least in the limited minutes I have seen so far.

He's kind of the opposite as Price. Price was a SG in a PG's body. Burks is a PG with a SG body. It translates better Burks' way than Price's way.

What I don't know is if he can become a pass 1st player? Can he defend PG's? Is he good enough at it to be a starter or will he forever be a backup at PG? Can he shoot well enough to play SG? Can he defend any position? Will he be able to set up post players and big men in general?
 
You're gonna get railed for opening this up again, but that's not my style.

I don't think Burks will ever start at the point guard, he is really the epitome of a combo guard. If he does start in the NBA he will likely start at the 2 though, because of his size. I would however be ecstatic if he were to be the primary backupat the 1. To have someone with that kind of skills alongside Favors and Hayward and maybe Howard would be excellent.

I have been cautious about being optimistic about 2's supposedly being 1's ever since people said that CJ had point guard skills. It takes more than court vision and dribbling to be a point guard, there is a degree of leadership and knowing the offence that is just as important but much less visible, and CJ doesn't have it. Whether or not Burks has it remains to be seen.

Right now Burks isn't getting time, and I believe it is because he is struggling transitioning from the college game over to the NBA game.
 
cctrackstar said:
You're gonna get railed for opening this up again, but that's not my style.

I don't think Burks will ever start at the point guard, he is really the epitome of a combo guard. If he does start in the NBA he will likely start at the 2 though, because of his size. I would however be ecstatic if he were to be the primary backupat the 1. To have someone with that kind of skills alongside Favors and Hayward and maybe Howard would be excellent.

I have been cautious about being optimistic about 2's supposedly being 1's ever since people said that CJ had point guard skills. It takes more than court vision and dribbling to be a point guard, there is a degree of leadership and knowing the offence that is just as important but much less visible, and CJ doesn't have it. Whether or not Burks has it remains to be seen.

Right now Burks isn't getting time, and I believe it is because he is struggling transitioning from the college game over to the NBA game.
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Definitely looks like he's having a hard time transitioning considering it looks like he pretty much scores at will (62% FGs), has created and passed the ball well and has looked good defensively. But his PER is only 42 right now, so he should work on that.
 
in garbage time when nobody is actually trying to play the offence.

Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE Burks fan, but I acknowledge that he has to transition into the NBA.

Answer me this: If there is a logjam in the front court and if the team is low on wing players, than why is Kanter getting quality productive minutes in game time and Burks is only playing in garbage minutes. If this is because Corbin is a moron, than maybe I will join the fire Corbin zealots. However I really think it is because Burks makes too many rookie mistakes and is a liability on the court when the game is on the line.
 
I'm not thrilled with Harris as a starter. I want to keep starting him and have him play well so the Jazz can get optimum trade value.

Burks is less than a rookie - he didn't even have a training camp (well, barely). He doesn't really get practices in this season either. BUT I like his game a lot and, based on him reaching his potential, I love him being a starter in the backcourt. I love a backcourt of Burks and Hayward. I was the one that spitballed the idea of Hayward at PG with Burks at SG but whatever - have 'em both be PG/SG. As far as leadership goes Hayward seems more of a leader to me than Burks but they're both still really young so I'm not saying it's a slam dunk. I just like them better (down the line) than Harris/Bell/CJ.

disclaimer:
my suggestions won't help the Jazz this year. For me this year is all about moving pieces to construct a kick *** team for the future.

The Jazz are really close. I think the frontcourt is solved - they (Favors, Kanter) will get better and better.
SF is the Jazz' biggest need - which will be solved with who they draft in 2012 (MKG, Barnes, P. Jones - to name a few).

Then there's the PG conundrum.
Harris needs to be traded. Earl is a fantastic backup. So who's the starter? Is he in the 2012 draft? Do the Jazz trade Harris/Jefferson for a stud PG? Can they even do that? I don't think they can. So do the Jazz already have someone on the team who might be as good of a gamble at PG as one of the other options? I recognize it's a stretch for people to see it but I think putting Burks/Hayward as the backcourt of the future is the best gamble the jazz have got.
 
cctrackstar said:
in garbage time when nobody is actually trying to play the offence.

Don't get me wrong, I am a HUGE Burks fan, but I acknowledge that he has to transition into the NBA.

Answer me this: If there is a logjam in the front court and if the team is low on wing players, than why is Kanter getting quality productive minutes in game time and Burks is only playing in garbage minutes. If this is because Corbin is a moron, than maybe I will join the fire Corbin zealots. However I really think it is because Burks makes too many rookie mistakes and is a liability on the court when the game is on the line.
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No logjam at the wing? Low on wing players? Potential wings: Evans, Hayward, Howard, Miles, Bell, Millsap - That is three guys at each wing position before you even get to Burks. Sure, there is a dearth of quality wings, but there are plenty for Corbin to choose from. Howard and Bell get time without even having to perform - they got minutes from day one and they suck. That much is obvious. Miles gets time regardless, because he has shown in the past that he can shoot the ball fairly well at times (doesn't do anything else to help the team, but that is neither here nor there for now). That is three guys right off the bat who don't have to prove anything and will get minutes. Hayward is young, gets time - and should - because he finished last season strong and has potential - just like Burks. Millsap will get some time at the three because of the logjam in the frontcourt. Evans is also a victim of Bell, Howard and Miles. It's easy for Corbin to sit Burks because of all the veterans there. Does that mean they (especially Miles, Bell and Howard are better) are better? Of course not.

In other words, yes, Corbin is a moran.

BTW, veterans, especially some of the Jazz veterans, make "rookie" mistakes consistently.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
No logjam at the wing? Low on wing players? Potential wings: Evans, Hayward, Howard, Miles, Bell, Millsap - That is three guys at each wing position before you even get to Burks. Sure, there is a dearth of quality wings, but there are plenty for Corbin to choose from. Howard and Bell get time without even having to perform - they got minutes from day one and they suck. That much is obvious. Miles gets time regardless, because he has shown in the past that he can shoot the ball fairly well at times (doesn't do anything else to help the team, but that is neither here nor there for now). That is three guys right off the bat who don't have to prove anything and will get minutes. Hayward is young, gets time - and should - because he finished last season strong and has potential - just like Burks. Millsap will get some time at the three because of the logjam in the frontcourt. Evans is also a victim of Bell, Howard and Miles. It's easy for Corbin to sit Burks because of all the veterans there. Does that mean they (especially Miles, Bell and Howard are better) are better? Of course not.

In other words, yes, Corbin is a moran.

BTW, veterans, especially some of the Jazz veterans, make "rookie" mistakes consistently.
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Lost credibility with that one. Howard has been our only consistent player and the only one on the team capable of getting his own shot and sparking the team on both ends of the court. To lump him in with Bell is ludicrous.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Lost credibility with that one. Howard has been our only consistent player and the only one on the team capable of getting his own shot and sparking the team on both ends of the court. To lump him in with Bell is ludicrous.
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LogGrad, the only consistency Howard has brought to the team is the ability to hit 1/3 of his shots. He has been extremely consistent in that area. Capable of getting his own shot? LG, you could get your own shot and not make any of them. When we talk about guys who can create their shot, we should be looking for guys who actually make it half or close to half of the time. Perhaps it's the 3 rebs and 1 assist you're liking. Or the fact that in Howard's "best" game (I use best and game lightly) the Jazz were out of it by mid-3rd quarter. Even if Howard were decent, and he's not, if he's not helping them win games - and he's most certainly not, get him the hell out of there and develop the young players. Burks, Hayward and Evans can lost by 20 just as easy as Howard and Bell can.
 
I'd rather have Howard out there than CJ or Raja. Given Howard's defensive superiority, I'd say Howard and Hayward have played pretty evenly in the early going.

Would I rather see Burks and Evans get more minutes? Absolutely, but if the choice is Howard or Raja/CJ, I'm much more comfortable sticking with Howard.
 
IMO, Burks is a larger version of Jason Terry and in time will make for one of the better 6th men in the league, providing a lot of offense off of the bench.
 
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