Can someone explain how police should handle people resisting arrest?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Some people just don't have Muslim friends.

 

[Siro]

I'd say it's 50/50

No. It's not. Maybe in Mississippi (never been). But not in the US at large. Out of the dozens of people I deal with every day, I have yet to encounter one who was hostile to all Muslims.

 

[Boris]

Another great article for the cop haters to read. Who here was screaming about Ferguson before the evidence came out? Bet I can guess who.

Michael Brown committed a strongarm robbery of a convenience store in Ferguson. Officer Wilson spotted Brown and his accomplice and stopped them. Brown attacked Wilson while he was still in his patrol car and tried to take the officer’s handgun. Brown was subsequently shot to death by Wilson.

What took place after that shooting will go down in the annals of history as one of the greatest examples of agenda-driven, media- fueled propaganda to be perpetuated on the American public, the fiction of “Hands up. Don’t shoot.” Literally on the same day as the shooting of Michael Brown, the media picked up the phrase from an alleged witness who said that Michael Brown had his hands up in the air yelling “Hands up. Don’t shoot” when the Police Officer “gunned him down.” The fact that it never happened didn’t stop the media from playing it over and over ad nauseum. And the fact that it never happened didn’t stop sports figures, celebrities, actors, and even members of jazzfanz like @cunning linguistfrom running around like idiots with their hands up in support of poor Michael Brown, demanding the prosecution of Officer Wilson for murder. The demonizing of this poor young police officer by everyone from the President of the United States down to the man in the street who formed his opinion from his only source, the media, was like nothing I have ever witnessed. Kinder words were spoken about Adolf Hitler than this young cop whose only sin was to do his duty and survive a critical incident.

https://m.policemag.com/blogpost/1708/over-accountability-in-policing

How about we start holding criminals responsible again instead of attacking the protectors of are civil rights.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No. It's not. Maybe in Mississippi (never been). But not in the US at large. Out of the dozens of people I deal with every day, I have yet to encounter one who was hostile to all Muslims.

How do Americans and Europeans perceive Muslims?

A Pew Research Center survey conducted in 2014 asked Americans to rate members of eight religious groups on a “feeling thermometer” from 0 to 100, where 0 reflects the coldest, most negative possible rating and 100 the warmest, most positive rating. Overall, Americans rated Muslims rather coolly – an average of 40, which was comparable to the average rating they gave atheists (41). Americans view the six other religious groups mentioned in the survey (Jews, Catholics, evangelical Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Mormons) more warmly.

Republicans and those who lean toward the Republican Party gave Muslims an average rating of 33, considerably cooler than Democrats’ rating toward Muslims (47).

Republicans also are more likely than Democrats to say they are very concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in the world (83% vs. 53%) and in the U.S. (65% vs. 38%), according to a December 2015 survey. That survey also found that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say that Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers (68% vs. 30% of Democrats) and that Muslims should be subject to more scrutiny than people of other religions (49% vs. 20%). Overall, most Americans (61%) say Muslims should not be subject to additional scrutiny solely because of their religion, while U.S. adults are closely divided on the question of whether Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence.

About half of Americans (49%) think at least “some” U.S. Muslims are anti-American, greater than the share who say “just a few” or “none” are anti-American, according to a January 2016 survey. On the other hand, the same survey also found that most Americans (59%) believe there is a lot of discrimination against Muslims in the U.S. today, and even more (76%) say discrimination against Muslims in the U.S. is on the rise.

Nearly half of U.S. adults (47%) say they do not personally know a Muslim, while a similar share (52%) do know at least one person who is Muslim.

In spring 2016, we asked residents of European counties whether they viewed Muslims favorably or unfavorably. Perceptions varied across European nations, from a largely favorable view in France (67%), Germany (65%) and the United Kingdom (63%) to a less favorable view in Italy (25%), Poland (19%) and Hungary (14%).

Link to survey: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

Not posting this to discredit your view or anything, but I think the average American doesnt really understand Islam. From that survey you can see that only half of the US population actually knows a single Muslim on a personal level. People fear what they don't know and fear creates hostility. It's hard to imagine the average perception of Islam is rising and if these same studies were done right now, they would probably be less favorable.

And racism/religious intolerance is hardly unique to the South.

 

[Siro]

Link to survey: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

Not posting this to discredit your view or anything, but I think the average American doesnt really understand Islam. From that survey you can see that only half of the US population actually knows a single Muslim on a personal level. People fear what they don't know and fear creates hostility. It's hard to imagine the average perception of Islam is rising and if these same studies were done right now, they would probably be less favorable.

So 49% think some Muslims are anti-Americans. Which is an accurate view. Thanks for posting stats proving that no where near 50% don't understand the divide between regular Muslims and extremists.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So 49% think some Muslims are anti-Americans. Which is an accurate view. Thanks for posting stats proving that no where near 50% don't understand the divide between regular Muslims and extremists.

I cant really find a survey that says ask specifically "Do Americans recognize/know/acknowledge/believe in a difference between extremist and Muslims, but the fact that so many people view Muslims unfavorably could suggest they don't or they don't choose to.

 

[franklin]

You have to be joking. America ain't currently all prospering together, good sir. And it isn't due to a shortage of businesses. Look at gross economic growth over the last 8 years & compare to growth of living standards of the working class.

I don't accept your measuring stick (you continue refusing to engage in that subject altogether). Even if I did, this is simply laughable. And you question why I rarely take anything you write on this subject serious...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rowth-is-on-pace-to-break-records-this-decade

“Despite the rampant contention that wages (especially for non-supervisory workers) have ‘stagnated’ for decades, the reality is very different,” writes Porcelli. “Indeed, the current decade is on pace to be the best for annual real production worker wage growth since at least the mid-1960s (the extent of the data).”

We are past "full employment". The Federal Reserve decreased their official full employment peg. New construction households are at all time highs. On and on.

I think you would better serve your cause by refining your broad stroke approach and focusing more on legitimate pockets of concern.

 

[franklin]

Here's another:

Newswise — ITHACA, N.Y. – Long portrayed as stagnant in economic terms, the income growth of the U.S. middle class may be much greater than suggested by economists like Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, according to a new study at Cornell University.
Median income of the U.S. middle class rose by as much as 37 percent from 1979-2007 says Richard Burkhauser, Cornell professor of policy analysis and management, in the study, “A ‘second opinion’ on the economic health of the American middle class,” published in the March issue of National Tax Journal. In contrast, when Piketty and Saez-style estimates were used, median income increased by only 3.2 percent over the same period.

https://www.newswise.com/articles/u...commonly-believed-cornell-policy-study-finds2

 

[One Brow]

Who says the police are treating non violent people with deadly force?

Video evidence. For example, Tamar Rice and John Crawford.

Facts are facts.

Facts are facts, but truth comes from the accurate interpretation of facts, and lies from the inaccurate interpretation/representation of facts.

Sterling had a long rap sheet, had a gun, disobeyed orders, and looked to be resisiting. Those are facts. Thats a potentially dangerous situation.

He was show while he was on the ground, on his stomach, with officers directly above him, and his hands no where near his gun. These are also facts.

Castile had a gun. We dont know what led up to him getting shot. The story could be a lot different than what his girlfriend was saying. There is this thing called lying. People do it.

So do police, especially when someone has been shot.

In almost all the cases there is room to be argued that the police had to do what they had to do.

Yet, in many similar cases involving white people actually firing guns, police take the time to talk the people down, instead of shooting immediately.

We will slowly come up with better ways to do things, better technology, better ways to weed out the bad ones, etc..

As long as we talk about bad cops, and not bad police culture, the problem will continue.

If you dont want to get shot by the police, just dont put up a fight. Its. pretty simple.

Do you know what they call a country where citizens are not allowed to express their opinions to the police? A police state. It sounds as if you are advocating for the US to become a police state.

 

[One Brow]

You do know that all cops arent acting like this right?

Why do you think this matters?

 

[One Brow]

Fish arent people. Shows how much you know.

All people are fish. Most fish are not people. You have indeed shown how much you know.

 

[Hotdog]

Video evidence. For example, Tamar Rice and John Crawford.

That is two examples. Dont you think that is generalizing the police as a whole? Thats well under 1 percent of police interactions even if you include every single video you can find.

Facts are facts, but truth comes from the accurate interpretation of facts, and lies from the inaccurate interpretation/representation of facts.

That goes for both sides. It not a one way street.

He was show while he was on the ground, on his stomach, with officers directly above him, and his hands no where near his gun. These are also facts.

How do you know his right hand was no where near his gun? You cant see his right hand in any video while he is on the ground. His gun was in his right pocket which you cannot see either. Why would you say you can see his hands when you clearly cannot?

So do police, especially when someone has been shot.

But we are only supposed to believe the story of the girlfriend. Thats the what we are being told by the BLM side .Thats why I brought up the possiblity of lying. The court system is saying let it play out and we will see what a jury thinks. Insetad the cop is guilty already in the eyes of BLM. Why is that?

Yet, in many similar cases involving white people actually firing guns, police take the time to talk the people down, instead of shooting immediately.

Tell that to the hundreds of white people shot and killed every year by cops.

As long as we talk about bad cops, and not bad police culture, the problem will continue.

Again, how can you generalize? There are bad cops. Just like there good black people and bad black people. You would protest generalizing all black people would you not?

Do you know what they call a country where citizens are not allowed to express their opinions to the police? A police state. It sounds as if you are advocating for the US to become a police state.

Do you know what they call a country without police? No country at all.




I agree that the police could tone it down some. But I think people are crazy to think that we will find a place where there are no cops killing people. At least not until technology improves to a point where people can be subdued without guns needed. Im actually pretty sure thats where we will get with this someday. But for now, there are going to be these things happening. Its unavoidable. There is always going to be bad people who will do anything neccessary to avoid arrest. And there will always be some bad police officers. It is what it is. They just have to be weeded out until technology improves. I dont think any legislation or special training will solve it all. It could help a little, but not much. You just cant enforce the law by asking pretty please. Thats not how the real world works. I think this is going to go on for quite some time sadly.