Can someone explain how police should handle people resisting arrest?

[One Brow]

That is two examples. Dont you think that is generalizing the police as a whole?

It is two symbols of the difference in treatment, one that can be seen every day. My wife was raised as a rock-solid Republican and thought all of this was unfounded. Her opinions first started to shift when she had a black manager, and noticed how the police harassed her manager regularly.

That goes for both sides. It not a one way street.

Certainly. Ignorant liberals make me cringe more than ignorant conservatives.

How do you know his right hand was no where near his gun?

Because he was on ground, on his belly, with officers standing directly above him. Who draws a gun then?

But we are only supposed to believe the story of the girlfriend.

You mean, the individual who has nothing to gain by lying and, to my knowledge, no history of lying or other criminal behavior?

Insetad the cop is guilty already in the eyes of BLM. Why is that?

They believe the person who has nothing to gain by lying, presumably.

Tell that to the hundreds of white people shot and killed every year by cops.

Both are true. Cops tend to give white people more time and more chances before they open fire, and nonetheless many white people get shot.

Again, how can you generalize?

Because the problem is general, and seen at every level in the interactions between police and citizens, not just when guns are drawn.

There are bad cops. Just like there good black people and bad black people. You would protest generalizing all black people would you not?

Saying that police culture needs to change (that is, they need to be trained, equipped, and guided differently) is not the same as saying all police are bad. Equating an identity as a black person (one that is not chosen and applies from birth) to an identity as a police officer (a profession in which you are trained, and can discard at any time) is fatuous.

Do you know what they call a country without police? No country at all.

Do you think the only two options are a police state and no police? If not, why was this comment relevant?

But I think people are crazy to think that we will find a place where there are no cops killing people.

There is no movement asking for nor expecting this in the near future.

 

[Hotdog]

It is two symbols of the difference in treatment, one that can be seen every day. My wife was raised as a rock-solid Republican and thought all of this was unfounded. Her opinions first started to shift when she had a black manager, and noticed how the police harassed her manager regularly.

Something tells me you had a lot do with her opinion shifting

Certainly. Ignorant liberals make me cringe more than ignorant conservatives.

I cringe over ignorant conservatives as well. I consider myself a moderate. Or maybe a mix breed. I find myself agreeing with principles on boths sides.

Because he was on ground, on his belly, with officers standing directly above him. Who draws a gun then?

A guy who is not supposed to be carrying a gun and knows he is going to jail for a long time if he is arrested.

Its hard say what he was thinking. Im not saying he was even going for the gun either. I agree that they could have handled it better by the looks of it. But thats just an opnion. We werent in the situation. Maybe he was really strong and the cops felt their control slipping. And I think it was the other cop who didnt shoot who yelled gun. That could have panicked the other officer into doing something he might not have otherwise done. Maybe he couldnt see what his hand was doing and assumed the other officer could, and by yelling gun insinuated that there was imminent threat. Maybe the cop who yelled gun is really the most at fault. Hard to say.

You mean, the individual who has nothing to gain by lying and, to my knowledge, no history of lying or other criminal behavior?

Maybe she just hates cops, and is pissed they just shot her boyfriend. Thats a reason to lie isnt it?

Both are true. Cops tend to give white people more time and more chances before they open fire, and nonetheless many white people get shot.

I dont know of any statistics related to how much time police give each race before they shoot. Where did you get that information?

Because the problem is general, and seen at every level in the interactions between police and citizens, not just when guns are drawn.

Every level, but not every interaction.

Saying that police culture needs to change (that is, they need to be trained, equipped, and guided differently) is not the same as saying all police are bad. Equating an identity as a black person (one that is not chosen and applies from birth) to an identity as a police officer (a profession in which you are trained, and can discard at any time) is fatuous.

But can people change? Can culture change? I think they can. There is accountability on both sides. I think people have to understand that cops have run ins with very bad people all the time. That can effect how they handle the next situation. They are human beings. People draw from history to tell them what the future may hold. Everyone does it. Including people who interact with cops. If they had one bad run in with a bad cop, they may assume the next one might be the same even if it isnt. See how that works both ways.

Do you think the only two options are a police state and no police? If not, why was this comment relevant?

Because you have to have a police force that enforces the law. Otherwise there is no such things as laws. Its relevant.

 

[MVP]

Meanwhile in Sweden police officer arrested thief while sunbathing and wearing bikini. True pro does not need guns!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-police-officer-stuns-pickpocket-in-the-park/

 

[fishonjazz]

Meanwhile in Sweden police officer arrested thief while sunbathing and wearing bikini. True pro does not need guns!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-police-officer-stuns-pickpocket-in-the-park/

She can arrest me anytime

 

[MVP]

She can arrest me anytime

Are you sure you can handle those thighs ?

 

[fishonjazz]

Are you sure you can handle those thighs ?

No I'm not.... I would love to try my best though

 

[Boris]

That is two examples. Dont you think that is generalizing the police as a whole? Thats well under 1 percent of police interactions even if you include every single video you can find.



That goes for both sides. It not a one way street.




How do you know his right hand was no where near his gun? You cant see his right hand in any video while he is on the ground. His gun was in his right pocket which you cannot see either. Why would you say you can see his hands when you clearly cannot?





But we are only supposed to believe the story of the girlfriend. Thats the what we are being told by the BLM side .Thats why I brought up the possiblity of lying. The court system is saying let it play out and we will see what a jury thinks. Insetad the cop is guilty already in the eyes of BLM. Why is that?




Tell that to the hundreds of white people shot and killed every year by cops.





Again, how can you generalize? There are bad cops. Just like there good black people and bad black people. You would protest generalizing all black people would you not?





Do you know what they call a country without police? No country at all.




I agree that the police could tone it down some. But I think people are crazy to think that we will find a place where there are no cops killing people. At least not until technology improves to a point where people can be subdued without guns needed. Im actually pretty sure thats where we will get with this someday. But for now, there are going to be these things happening. Its unavoidable. There is always going to be bad people who will do anything neccessary to avoid arrest. And there will always be some bad police officers. It is what it is. They just have to be weeded out until technology improves. I dont think any legislation or special training will solve it all. It could help a little, but not much. You just cant enforce the law by asking pretty please. Thats not how the real world works. I think this is going to go on for quite some time sadly.

Give it a rest mate. We have video an audio evidence the police warned him not to go for his gun before taking action. The officer is innocent as he clearly followed the chain of escalation rules.
These cop haters do not care for facts. They have been tainted by the race baiters like Al Sharpton an Jesse Jackson.
We have become a society of race baiters. Even [MENTION=3213]Cunning Linguist[/MENTION] has succumbed

 

[Hotdog]

Meanwhile in Sweden police officer arrested thief while sunbathing and wearing bikini. True pro does not need guns!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-police-officer-stuns-pickpocket-in-the-park/

Police britality

 

[MVP]

Hack, in Grays case medical investigation found that Gray had sustained the injuries while in transport as he was not secured with seat belt... Plus he was beaten with batons by few of those cops arresting him. I think it is quite different from bikini officer situation. I have hard time imagining anybody breaking 3 neck vertebrae, injuring larynx and severing spinal cord at the neck while putting knee in the back.

 

[carolinajazz]

Well, it looks like there are two possible reactions to "resisting" arrest! One is the "Rodney King" reaction which was "slapping knots on your head faster than you can rub them!" or "I'm very sorry to have upset you and please let me be the first to apologize for having to stop you in the first place for doing nothing out of the ordinary!"

 

[Gameface]

Well, it looks like there are two possible reactions to "resisting" arrest! One is the "Rodney King" reaction which was "slapping knots on your head faster than you can rub them!" or "I'm very sorry to have upset you and please let me be the first to apologize for having to stop you in the first place for doing nothing out of the ordinary!"

Are you ****ing kidding?

Option 3: Be trained in tactics to take down and subdue the person with less than lethal force, do it like a professional making the person look foolish for messing around with a proud officer of the law and take the person into custody so that they may face the professionals who prosecute suspected criminals according to our agreed upon criminal code of justice, affording them full and complete due process of law. Acting all like an advanced, intelligent, civilized society that handles it's business with integrity and ruthless diligence.

 

[Miggs]

CJ killin' it. Keep it up, CJ!!!