Can the C.J. Miles experiment please end?

[gregbroncs]

He's tied for the second worst FG% on the team, and is shooting an astonishing 27% from three point land.


Just saying...

And he's been in for every run they have made over the last 5 games and has the highest +/- on the team.


Just saying...

 

[franklin]

I don't doubt CJ's heart or toughness. The guy simply is not strong enough to go to the basket hard and be effective. He has to get fancy or settle for floaters, etc. All you bashing CJ for not taking it to the hole more should be a little more realistic rather than idealistic. Seriously consider what will happen if CJ takes your medicine. He'll get stuffed more often than fouled. He's a thin guy at 6'6" and not very powerful. Taking it to the rack requires elite strength. Why do you think Sloan has been saying CJ needs to get stronger ever since he's come into the league?

Let's work with what we have rather than wishing on a star. I'd like to see CJ improve his outside shot and work on pump faking to get inside a defender for an easy jumper.

 

[zman1527]

I don't doubt CJ's heart or toughness. The guy simply is not strong enough to go to the basket hard and be effective. He has to get fancy or settle for floaters, etc. All you bashing CJ for not taking it to the hole more should be a little more realistic rather than idealistic. Seriously consider what will happen if CJ takes your medicine. He'll get stuffed more often than fouled. He's a thin guy at 6'6" and not very powerful. Taking it to the rack requires elite strength. Why do you think Sloan has been saying CJ needs to get stronger ever since he's come into the league?

Let's work with what we have rather than wishing on a star. I'd like to see CJ improve his outside shot and work on pump faking to get inside a defender for an easy jumper.

Taking it to the rack requires elite strength? Dang, I thought it took hops. You better not tell Jeremy Evans or he will start to miss all those dunks: guy's as thin as a rail, certainly not elite strength. LOL

CJ is the only jazzman outside of Deron who can dribble drive effectively. So what if he shoots floaters versus dunks? he dunks when the opportunity arises. Oh, I know, you want Brewer back? He could sure dunk. Nothing else, but he could dunk.

 

[rainhut]

And your point is? He shot 50% from the field and had 16 points. Even with missing 4 three's he still shot 50%. I have never contested that his shot is off right now.

You would find something to complain about even if he scored 100 points on 99% shooting and 20 shots. Your a hater and a troll plain and simple.

Even while being called out for your single minded hatred you can't find it in you to answer any of my questions about the team or find another topic to talk about anywhere on this board.

You want me to answer your stupid quiz? How old are you?

 

[rainhut]

And he's been in for every run they have made over the last 5 games and has the highest +/- on the team.


Just saying...

Bonkers, give it up. You are grasping at straws.

 

[rainhut]

He's tied for the second worst FG% on the team, and is shooting an astonishing 27% from three point land.


Just saying...

Good info. Don't think his 0 for 4 last night will help his 3 percentage, but perhaps he can break through to the 28%. There's a goal.

 

[gregbroncs]

You want me to answer your stupid quiz? How old are you?

I asked you to prove your not a complete troll like you seem to think. You failed.

 

[DukeJazz]

Taking it to the rack requires elite strength? Dang, I thought it took hops. You better not tell Jeremy Evans or he will start to miss all those dunks: guy's as thin as a rail, certainly not elite strength. LOL

CJ is the only jazzman outside of Deron who can dribble drive effectively. So what if he shoots floaters versus dunks? he dunks when the opportunity arises. Oh, I know, you want Brewer back? He could sure dunk. Nothing else, but he could dunk.

agreed. Also brewer wasnt real strong lol.

 

[billyshelby]

Pffft. Now that is BS. He shoots less than 50% from within 10 feet of the basket. He has taken 9 shots from between 4 and 6 feet of the basket and missed them all*. He has been blocked 9 times, but only been fouled while shooting 13 times, and only three of those for an "and 1". He has dunked exactly once all season, and that was off a D-Will pass.

In defense of your position, he has committed two offensive charges all season, both against Miami. To be fair, he actually was going hard to the basket against Miami, and with some success apart from those two times, but that game was definitely the exception. In fact, being exceptional is what made me notice his play, but unfortunately he has since reverted to his old ways.

* Caveat: all these numbers are taken from the ESPN play-by-play. Six shots are listed without any distance, only one of which was a made shot - it is thus possible that he has made 1-10 from this range. OTOH, the 5 misses could easily all be from the same distance, too. Or they could all be layups. BTW, he's 13-21 on layups.

As far as the boxscore analysis goes, Miles is currently sitting at an eFG of 54% in close (with dunk numbers not added) according to 82games. And apparently he's been blocked on 8% of those attempts which is a very low number. The irony is he doesn't get blocked that often because he's trying so hard to get the shot up unblocked. His maturation will come when he realizes getting the contact and accepting the blocks will help. Like a lot of kids, he doesn't want to miss, he doesn't want to get blocked, and his mentality is making everything, not "accepting" misses that don't get called. It's a process.

Anyone wasting time watching games has seen Miles drive consistently to the hole in every game. Those same people wasting time watching games are also seeing the development of his passing game on those drives in addition to making shots. I've been very impressed by his decision making in driving and passing whether it leads to a boxscore assist or not. But that's only because I waste LOTS of time watching all the games.

 

[rainhut]

As far as the boxscore analysis goes, Miles is currently sitting at an eFG of 54% in close (with dunk numbers not added) according to 82games. And apparently he's been blocked on 8% of those attempts which is a very low number. The irony is he doesn't get blocked that often because he's trying so hard to get the shot up unblocked. His maturation will come when he realizes getting the contact and accepting the blocks will help. Like a lot of kids, he doesn't want to miss, he doesn't want to get blocked, and his mentality is making everything, not "accepting" misses that don't get called. It's a process.

Anyone wasting time watching games has seen Miles drive consistently to the hole in every game. Those same people wasting time watching games are also seeing the development of his passing game on those drives in addition to making shots. I've been very impressed by his decision making in driving and passing whether it leads to a boxscore assist or not. But that's only because I waste LOTS of time watching all the games.

https://www.nba.com/jazz/stats/ 37/27 not 54%. I suppose one way to make him a good player is to invent stats. He is soft driving to the basket.

 

[Hitman]

Anyone wasting time watching games has seen Miles drive consistently to the hole in every game. Those same people wasting time watching games are also seeing the development of his passing game on those drives in addition to making shots. I've been very impressed by his decision making in driving and passing whether it leads to a boxscore assist or not. But that's only because I waste LOTS of time watching all the games.

I've got bad news for you - I have NBA League Pass, I do watch the games. My opinion - that he does not attack the rim, and that he does not have a passing game - is a result of watching these games. I have seen him dribble into the paint, pull up when he encounters a defender, jack-knife into the air, and try to flip in an off-balance shot from five feet and miss enough times to realise he has a fear of contact. I have seen him catch the ball on the right wing, dribble across the key to the left block, and flip up a hook shot just to avoid contact. I have rarely seen him drive and challenge defenders, crash the boards for a rebound, or pass off the dribble, or do any of these other things you claim he can do.

But the difference between my subjective opinion and your subjective opinion from watching the games is I can find objective evidence in the play-by-play and the boxscore that confirms what I see.

 

[franklin]

Taking it to the rack requires elite strength? Dang, I thought it took hops. You better not tell Jeremy Evans or he will start to miss all those dunks: guy's as thin as a rail, certainly not elite strength. LOL

CJ is the only jazzman outside of Deron who can dribble drive effectively. So what if he shoots floaters versus dunks? he dunks when the opportunity arises. Oh, I know, you want Brewer back? He could sure dunk. Nothing else, but he could dunk.

That's retarded on so many levels. We're talking about driving into contact and drawing fouls, not catching a pass under the basket and jumping.

Besides, how do you know Brewer isn't stronger than CJ? Have you been in their weight room? If you haven't then you're just spouting off. Brewer looks and plays stronger than CJ. Enough said.

If your silly hops theory had any merit then Spidaman and the rest of the "And 1" team would be NBA elites instead of a traveling sideshow. They're not, and your theory doesn't.