Can Ty Corbin get us a ring?

[NotDeadYet]

Before the Jazz made him their HC, Jerry Sloan was head coach of the Bulls for less than three seasons, winning 94 games and losing 121. He led the team to the playoffs in his second year, but was fired after a poor start during the next campaign. He later coached a year in the CBA before joining the Jazz staff, where he soon became their head coach. Not a whole lot more than Ty Corbin has as a HC, and not NEAR as much time as Ty spent as an assistant here with the Jazz. Give the Jazz ownership credit; they are not afraid to hire young inexperienced guys into responsible positions if they perceive he can be successful.

 

[Borat]

Keep living in denial. Bro.

Denial of what, genius?

 

[Sean]

I'm not saying Corbin getting fired after 1 full season is impossible, but I would say it's extremely unlikely. The wheels would really have to come off for them to make a move like that.

Up until last season, Utah was a franchise that hung their hat on consistency and the fact that they never made moves in a panic. Now that Sloan's midseason retirement and the D-Will trade are in their rearview mirror, I think Utah is very eager to settle back down and return to business as usual.

I honestly don't know what Corbin would have to do (or not do) in order to get fired after just 1 full season. I'm sure the Miller's don't have a "playoffs or bust" type of attitude going into next season which means the bar is set pretty low for Ty heading into next year.

I just don't see The Miller's pulling the plug on a coach that soon.

Utah was only consistent and stable because it was successful. In Sloan's first season as head coach, Utah won 50 games for the first time in franchise history and would string together a decent stretch of success between 1989-1993. I can guarantee you had the Jazz dropped off dramatically after Layden's quick resignation and the franchise failed to make the playoffs, Sloan would have lasted maybe three seasons at the most.

So yeah, Utah was a steady franchise and never panicked with Sloan for 20-plus years. But with Sloan, the franchise also only finished with a losing season once under his leadership and missed the playoffs only three times - all toward the end of his career when he had built up enough goodwill to get through those down years.

Corbin doesn't have near the goodwill. That's not to say he won't build some next season - but I can foresee a scenario where the franchise wavers and makes a change. If he can't improve his winning percentage and, at the end of the next season, he's still roughly won less than 30% of his games as a head coach, I would not be floored if the organization made a change.

With all that said, I do tend to agree with your overall point. It's unlikely Corbin gets fired next season - even if the team struggles greatly. But that would mean he's in a make or break third year (technically two seasons and one fourth or so) and I could see the franchise pulling the plug if there isn't a solid leap toward respectability.

But the past doesn't necessarily dictate what happens in the future. Utah was only consistent and steadfast because it worked. In the 23 seasons Sloan coached the Jazz, they were contenders.

We're not dealing with that today. These Jazz are more similar to the pre-Frank Layden Jazz than the post-Layden.

 

[vj_74]

Even the Sloan situation. According to all accounts Sloan left because he had nothing left in the tank to even finish the season. Now, my question is: why did we keep a coach for years, who was running on almost empty? We need everyone running on all cylinders to have some kind of chance, and it actually starts with your leader, your coach. Sloan didn’t even have enough to finish the year and we still renewed his contract before season. This is ridiculous. .

Unless you were living under a rock all this while you will know that Sloan resigned not because he had "nothing in the tank" but because he was tired of Deron's ways. It has been repeated ad nauseum. Obviously that's not what Sloan was going to say in the press conference as he wont put the organization or the player in an embarassing position. If Sloan really thought he had nothing in the tank before this last season he would have quietly resigned in the offseason. Not sign an extension and then quit in the middle of the season.

 

[Borat]

Unless you were living under a rock all this while you will know that Sloan resigned not because he had "nothing in the tank" but because he was tired of Deron's ways. It has been repeated ad nauseum. Obviously that's not what Sloan was going to say in the press conference as he wont put the organization or the player in an embarassing position. If Sloan really thought he had nothing in the tank before this last season he would have quietly resigned in the offseason. Not sign an extension and then quit in the middle of the season.

You seem to have lost touch with reality. Go listen to numerous Greg Miller’s interviews and Deron interview. Everyone keeps saying the fight Deron had with Sloan was no worse than any other player/coach disagreement. Miller and KOC begged Sloan to stay until the end of the year, and he flat out couldn’t. He had nothing left. Just listed to Greg Miller, who clearly says it in his interviews. And if he had nothing left mid year to even finish the year when begged by ownership, he was not exactly running on full tank for a while, has he? Yet Jazz felt compelled to give him extension anyway, because they want stability. Well, Cuban didn’t, he gave coaches a fair chance to coach several years, but when results were not what he wanted, he moved on. Jazz got a coach 2 decades ago, who never won title in spite of having 2 ATGs for nearly 2 decades, and instead of looking for a change, they just let the guy run out of gas and then promote his 2nd assistant. Some stability is all good, but we are talking about major stagnation here. And Dallas and Cuban winning the title now after actually trying out different coaches and having a selection process, makes it fairly obvious, doesn’t it?

 

[GVC]

Unless you were living under a rock all this while you will know that Sloan resigned not because he had "nothing in the tank" but because he was tired of Deron's ways. It has been repeated ad nauseum.

Lots of folks say lots of stupid things. Repetition of stupidity does not make it fact.