Perhaps. But justifying overpaying for Hayward on the overpaying of other athletes is bad policy.
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Perhaps. But justifying overpaying for Hayward on the overpaying of other athletes is bad policy.
UR right. And here I was, thinking that $16+ million per year wasn't monopoly money.
To be short, it seems you either don't understand that time changes things, what guaranteed contracts are, and that Hayward is indeed not as good as some of those players.
b_line
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Please explain again how the similarities in a contract that has huge 3% more on each raise and is three years longer is similar to a Hayward max? NOt even in the same ballpark bro. Hayward getting the max is likely a pretty big mistake, but he will still be at least semi trade-able, unlike Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, etc. Even AK was at least a good player, and not necessarily an albatross.
Bro? Paying $17 million to a role player isn't at all similar to paying legitimate all-stars (at one time, for several consecutive years) $20 million? It actually be worse.
b_line
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The one player on this list who is definitely a better investment than Hayward is James Harden.
Lin and Asik are getting the money listed, but their cap hold is like half of that due to the way the contract is structured.
David Lee is probably a better contributor than Hayward, but he is getting old.
Litany
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Looking at these deals and I continue to be baffled how in the hell Hayward got people talking about the max for him.
Andre Iguodala
Signed for an $48,000,000 for 4 years.
Stephen Curry
Signed for $44,000,000 for 4 years starting in 2013-14.
Tony Parker
$50,000,000 for 4 years that begins in 2011-12.
Rajon Rondo
Signed for $55,000,000 for 5 years starting in 2010-11.
Serge Ibaka
Signed for $49,000,000 for 4 years, starting in 2013-14.
Ty Lawson
Signed for $48,000,000 for 4 years, starting in 2013-14.
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Andre Iguodala
Signed for an $48,000,000 for 4 years.
Stephen Curry
Signed for $44,000,000 for 4 years starting in 2013-14.
Tony Parker
$50,000,000 for 4 years that begins in 2011-12.
Rajon Rondo
Signed for $55,000,000 for 5 years starting in 2010-11.
Serge Ibaka
Signed for $49,000,000 for 4 years, starting in 2013-14.
Ty Lawson
Signed for $48,000,000 for 4 years, starting in 2013-14.
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AlaskanAssassin
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I understand the theory behind what you're saying GVC, but if he's easily replaceable than who do we replace him with? Whoever that is will have to be paid a little over their market value to come here as opposed to a contender or big market.
Loul Deng- Expensive and probably doesn't want to come here
Chandler Parsons- Similar numbers to GH, but we would have to overpay to get him to leave Houston.
Evan Turner- Blah
Shawn Marion- Good but getting older. Probably doesn't want to play for a young team
Trevor Ariza- Some potential here, but he probably will get $10 mil / year from Washington, we would have to offer more than that.
M. Beasley, Xavier Henry, Wes Johnson- Blah, Blah, Blah
Vince Carter- Getting old
Nick Young- I'll pass
Lance Stephenson- Wants the same $ as Gordon does.
Rodney Stuckey- Disappointing
Sefolosha, Morrow - No for me
If he's "Easily Replaceable" please suggest who we can easily get to come here, and why they would want to come here.
b_line
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So were any of these players all stars after they signed huge deals? Maybe Arenas? Kirilenko was not an all star. Arenas was for maybe a year or two of the huge contract he signed.
No one on here is saying that they think Hayward should get the max. I am just sick of the "this is the worst mistake the franchise could ever make in a million years gaiiiiiiiiis" hyperbole going around.
b_line
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I think when people say he is easily replaceable, it is more a replaced by committee type thing. Of course we are not going to replace Hayward with one player that does everything he does in the same amount. Maybe if we sign Parsons, but I am not convinced that he will be as good as Hayward. Anyway, it will be a few people getting more minutes to replace the production he got.