Cavs offer Gordo MAX deal (maybe)

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Seemed pretty obvious. If Hayward demands too much money then trade him. Game over.

Whoa. Hold on a second. They still have to play 82 games the same year they trade Hayward. And that is if they don't make the playoffs, which is a minimum of four games, iirc. Doesn't seem like game over to me. His poor ex teammates will have to play without him for the whole year, and that is just the first year! What about all the next ones? Doesn't sound like a check mate.

 

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Hi. Do you know that Karl and John are still alive? I think john wrote a book about how he is alive still pretty recently. And Karl Malone is still alive and hunting all rodent type in Louisiana.


Also, the rockets sucked in the playoffs. Can't remember for sure, but I don't think they made it to the one game where there are only two teams left in the league and they play each other to see who is better. The Super Bowl? I don't know how those things worked, but I don't remember seeing chandler parsons there shooting threes.

It was a joke.

 

[green]

Jazz and Gordon will agree to a contract. Teams are afraid to give Hayward a deal, Lowry just was paid. Utah will call Hayward, they will sit down and hammer out a 4 year 50 million dollar deal (or thereabouts). 14 year one, and down from there. You'll hear about it in a couple of days.

Everyone wins. Gordon gets paid, Utah has a cap friendly deal, etc.

 

[UGLI baby]

Jazz and Gordon will agree to a contract. Teams are afraid to give Hayward a deal, Lowry just was paid. Utah will call Hayward, they will sit down and hammer out a 4 year 50 million dollar deal (or thereabouts). 14 year one, and down from there. You'll hear about it in a couple of days.

Everyone wins. Gordon gets paid, Utah has a cap friendly deal, etc.

Welp, that settles it.

MODS, pls lock thread.


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[Fishsticks]

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[trigg3r]

If the Jazz are willing to match and keep Hayward at the max, they deserve the mediocrity that follows.

 

[Doublea]

We have the advantage of adding a 5 year to the deal too.

 

[trigg3r]

We'll have to wait and see, I guess. I would assume that the revenue from that contract won't affect the cap until after the 16/17 season (which will be the first under the new TV contract IIRC). Gordo will be 3 years into his new contract, when the Jazz will have already re-upped Burks and Kanter and will be looking to re-up Burke.

Perhaps Locke's primary argument is that Gordo's new contract will be movable no matter what. I have a hard time believing a team will give up good assets for Gordo at $15-17mm if he continues to play at the level he played this past season. If Exum, Burke or Burks prove to be more effective on-ball players, and Gordo doesn't find his jumpshot, his contract will keep the Jazz from doing anything before 2018.

Second, he argues that the Jazz won't be any good so it doesn't matter. Awesome. If this is what the FO is selling, I'm finding a new team.

Third, he makes the argument that there's nothing else that can be done with the money. That's more than a little myopic IMO. We're already 3 seasons into the new CBA. The Jazz were able to land 2 1st round draft picks for cap space just a year ago. Who knows what will come available in the next couple seasons?

Finally, he makes the argument that the Jazz should keep him because they drafted him. Idiotic.

I could not have said it better myself. Locke's arguments for keeping Gordon and not caring about the final number were beyond weak and pathetic.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We have the advantage of adding a 5 year to the deal too.

"Advantage"? The Jazz own his rights. There is no concrete reason to give him more money than anyone else. They just have to match.

 

[NUMBERICA]

What you said sounds exactly like the things fans of Arenas, Lewis, and Davis said to themselves on Day 1.

I could go into a longer diatribe, but as a general rule, MAX players are worth it from the jump, not guys you hope will play their way into MAX value. The irony is Arenas, Lewis, and Davis were all much more accomplished than Hayward before they signed their deals, and they failed. Joe Johnson was better than Hayward. Even Eric Gordon was better.

The market right now might say Hayward is a MAX player. But a smart GM will realize that the market tomorrow won't even as caps increase.

I pretty much love this post.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yes & No.

If he scares everyone off, low balls Hayward, pisses him off. Nothing good happens there if he truly believes he is part of the future.

He needs to follow thru with at least 13/yr or Max.

If not, if I am Hayward I accept the 1 yr qualifying offer he has and become an unrestricted FA next summer.

Chess game.

Almost nobody leaves a mountain of money on the table to play for 10% as much money and no security.

 

[UGLI baby]

I pretty much love this post.

So you also don't understand the difference between a MAX guy then and now?

WTF dood. Thought u were better than this. Did poker night mean nothing to you??