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CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.

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nytimes source. cus you liberals think fox is in fantasy land




link:https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/...klash-against-the-raise-that-roared.html?_r=0

Fantasy land or not, it was a much, much, much better article that actually went in depth. It appears his brother's lawsuit is a much bigger problem than him setting his wages.

Granted, even I wouldn't set wages equally across the board (I do believe that financial incentives are appropriate/good for putting out good quality work), but on another note if someone offered me a $15k a year raise I wouldn't refuse it just because I knew the guy next to me got a $30k a year raise and was less experienced than me. It is an interesting example of people's pride or spite interfering in what is against their own self interest.
 
That's a poorly written article.



Is that good or bad?

Sounds good to me. Wish my company was ate up by profits.

If it's implying that this guy's new salary scale is eating up profits, this guy's business may be in trouble unless he's paying for the losses himself.

All that being said, I fail to see the outrage here in a guy deciding his own labor costs, except that it could sink his business. But what I've been told since birth is that it's the right for the business owner to make his/her own decisions...apparently when they are making decisions to benefit the workers it is "socialism" (though I think that's more that Dutch has no clue what socialism is).
 
But I do wonder if people have considered this in regard to $15min wage. A lot of people who make around $15 now have the pride that they make a lot more than min wage. If they suddenly find themselves making min wage when they consider their position more significant than a min wage position they are going to want that status reflected in their own pay. That doesn't mean $16.50. Many people will be upset that they suddenly only make min wage.

Let them quit their jobs and make burgers for the same amount of money.

I doubt many would do it. Minimum wage jobs suck for the most part. Not that I'm in favor of a $15 minimum wage, but at some point the minimum wage (if one believes in it at all) needs to rise to pace the costs of living expenses. Hell, living in Denver at $15 an hour is difficult. The average rent here for a one bedroom apartment is around $900, which comes to about 47% of the net salary (assuming one takes home around 75% of their $15 an hour after deductions). If you have a kid and need child care you're totally ****ed at that point. We are paying $840 a month for child care (aka $10,080 a year), and this includes my wife's discount at her job. It is ****ing crippling us financially now.
 
How is that socialism? The guy on his own is setting the wages to what he feels is appropriate. There is no government intervention whatsoever. He's a private citizen choosing how much he wants to spend in direct labor and how much each member of his labor force gets.

It's total capitalism. Since where is there a wage requirement and a profit percentage requirement in capitalism?

he is trying the same thing as socialism on a small scale. in this exemaple his coompany.
giving everyone not equal oppurtuinty but equal outcome
 
he is trying the same thing as socialism on a small scale. in this exemaple his coompany.
giving everyone not equal oppurtuinty but equal outcome

Salary isn't the only outcome of the job, but even if it were so he's a private business owner compensating his employees the way he sees fit, without any government intervention. How is that not capitalism?
 
Salary isn't the only outcome of the job, but even if it were so he's a private business owner compensating his employees the way he sees fit, without any government intervention. How is that not capitalism?

i am not talking about government yada yada.

i am talking about within a capitalist system. on a small scale he rpacticed socialism.
meaning within the bubble of his company meaning. everybody gets the same wether ur a highly skilled degree carrying worker. or an uneducated worker. everybody gets 70.000 salary right

so whether ur more valuable because of your skill/education or just a slacker who just shows up for work and farts his way through the day.
that is socialism whether u work hard or hardly work you get the same.

so within the bubble consisting of only the company its some sort of socialism on a small scale. within a capitalistic country
 
i am not talking about government yada yada.

i am talking about within a capitalist system. on a small scale he rpacticed socialism.
meaning within the bubble of his company meaning. everybody gets the same wether ur a highly skilled degree carrying worker. or an uneducated worker. everybody gets 70.000 salary right

so whether ur more valuable because of your skill/education or just a slacker who just shows up for work and farts his way through the day.
that is socialism whether u work hard or hardly work you get the same.

so within the bubble consisting of only the company its some sort of socialism on a small scale. within a capitalistic country

Your writing would make Karl Marx proud.
 
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Let them quit their jobs and make burgers for the same amount of money.

I doubt many would do it. Minimum wage jobs suck for the most part. Not that I'm in favor of a $15 minimum wage, but at some point the minimum wage (if one believes in it at all) needs to rise to pace the costs of living expenses. Hell, living in Denver at $15 an hour is difficult. The average rent here for a one bedroom apartment is around $900, which comes to about 47% of the net salary (assuming one takes home around 75% of their $15 an hour after deductions). If you have a kid and need child care you're totally ****ed at that point. We are paying $840 a month for child care (aka $10,080 a year), and this includes my wife's discount at her job. It is ****ing crippling us financially now.

How old is your child?
 
i am not talking about government yada yada.

i am talking about within a capitalist system. on a small scale he rpacticed socialism.
meaning within the bubble of his company meaning. everybody gets the same wether ur a highly skilled degree carrying worker. or an uneducated worker. everybody gets 70.000 salary right

so whether ur more valuable because of your skill/education or just a slacker who just shows up for work and farts his way through the day.
that is socialism whether u work hard or hardly work you get the same.

so within the bubble consisting of only the company its some sort of socialism on a small scale. within a capitalistic country

If you're not talking about the government, you're then not talking about socialism. I don't know what else to tell you. This guy owns his business and has set his salary at the rate he chose to do so. Nobody forced him to do this. He still owns the business and all the associated assets with it. he can change their salaries back whenever he wants to. Nowhere in the Capitalism Rule Book does it state that a lower skilled employee needs to make less than a higher skilled employee. In fact I've worked for companies where an idiot son in law has a high paying job because of nepotism, even though he was hardly the most skilled person in the building. Now it tends to work that way because more often than not, companies value skill and supply and demand makes skilled employees less readily available, therefore they demand a premium on their employment. But it's perfectly capitalist to pay everyone the same wage. It usually will dip into profits if you pay them too much, or leave you're company with no employees if you pay them too little, but that's all part of capitalism too.

I really think you have no clue what socialism is, at least if you think this is socialism. It isn't. If he feels an employee is lazy and not doing their job right, he's free to fire them. In fact, he should fire them. The only thing really unique here is people who have skills/experience resent that they are making the same as people who don't (I didn't read that the skilled employees had their pay cut...in fact I think they got raises, just not at the same percentage as the unskilled employees). They are free to find a job that pays them better, or find a job where that disparity exists. In fact a few have. Again, that's capitalism.
 
If you're not talking about the government, you're then not talking about socialism. I don't know what else to tell you. This guy owns his business and has set his salary at the rate he chose to do so. Nobody forced him to do this. He still owns the business and all the associated assets with it. he can change their salaries back whenever he wants to. Nowhere in the Capitalism Rule Book does it state that a lower skilled employee needs to make less than a higher skilled employee. In fact I've worked for companies where an idiot son in law has a high paying job because of nepotism, even though he was hardly the most skilled person in the building. Now it tends to work that way because more often than not, companies value skill and supply and demand makes skilled employees less readily available, therefore they demand a premium on their employment. But it's perfectly capitalist to pay everyone the same wage. It usually will dip into profits if you pay them too much, or leave you're company with no employees if you pay them too little, but that's all part of capitalism too.

I really think you have no clue what socialism is, at least if you think this is socialism. It isn't. If he feels an employee is lazy and not doing their job right, he's free to fire them. In fact, he should fire them. The only thing really unique here is people who have skills/experience resent that they are making the same as people who don't (I didn't read that the skilled employees had their pay cut...in fact I think they got raises, just not at the same percentage as the unskilled employees). They are free to find a job that pays them better, or find a job where that disparity exists. In fact a few have. Again, that's capitalism.

why cant a business be run socialistic?
if a coutnry can be socliastic.
a small communicty can also be run that way.

so can a bussiness, it will fail msot likely. but a business can be run that way
 
why cant a business be run socialistic?
if a coutnry can be socliastic.
a small communicty can also be run that way.

so can a bussiness, it will fail msot likely. but a business can be run that way

Socialism is an economic system, just like communism and capitalism. A company existing in a mixed yet predominantly capitalistic system must deal with the economic realities inherent in that system. Governments determine the economic system. Only they have the force of law.

A socialist inspired pay structure within a capitalistic enterprise in a predominantly capitalistic system is not socialism. Socialism, capitalism and to an even greater extent communism require the use of force (via the government) to make the system viable. Creating socialism independent of the overall economic system and absent government enforcement is not in any real sense socialism.
 
Socialism is an economic system, just like communism and capitalism. A company existing in a mixed yet predominantly capitalistic system must deal with the economic realities inherent in that system. Governments determine the economic system. Only they have the force of law.

A socialist inspired pay structure within a capitalistic enterprise in a predominantly capitalistic system is not socialism. Socialism, capitalism and to an even greater extent communism require the use of force (via the government) to make the system viable. Creating socialism independent of the overall economic system and absent government enforcement is not in any real sense socialism.

do you have a degree in economics?
 
If you're not talking about the government, you're then not talking about socialism. I don't know what else to tell you. This guy owns his business and has set his salary at the rate he chose to do so. Nobody forced him to do this. He still owns the business and all the associated assets with it. he can change their salaries back whenever he wants to. Nowhere in the Capitalism Rule Book does it state that a lower skilled employee needs to make less than a higher skilled employee. In fact I've worked for companies where an idiot son in law has a high paying job because of nepotism, even though he was hardly the most skilled person in the building. Now it tends to work that way because more often than not, companies value skill and supply and demand makes skilled employees less readily available, therefore they demand a premium on their employment. But it's perfectly capitalist to pay everyone the same wage. It usually will dip into profits if you pay them too much, or leave you're company with no employees if you pay them too little, but that's all part of capitalism too.

I really think you have no clue what socialism is, at least if you think this is socialism. It isn't. If he feels an employee is lazy and not doing their job right, he's free to fire them. In fact, he should fire them. The only thing really unique here is people who have skills/experience resent that they are making the same as people who don't (I didn't read that the skilled employees had their pay cut...in fact I think they got raises, just not at the same percentage as the unskilled employees). They are free to find a job that pays them better, or find a job where that disparity exists. In fact a few have. Again, that's capitalism.

That's not necessarily true either. It is true of Marxist socialism but isn't true of all forms of socialism.

To answer his question yes socialist businesses work but they have to obey the market like everyone else. They are called Cooperatives.
 
why cant a business be run socialistic?
if a coutnry can be socliastic.
a small communicty can also be run that way.

so can a bussiness, it will fail msot likely. but a business can be run that way

In the case of the aforementioned cooperative, it can.

This guy's business isn't run that way. He owns the business. His employees don't. He owns the property of the business. His employees don't. He sets the salaries. The employees don't.

Everything about his business is capitalism. You're just hung up on the wages he's paying his employees. You know, the wages he choose to pay them because he owns his business.
 
In the case of the aforementioned cooperative, it can.

This guy's business isn't run that way. He owns the business. His employees don't. He owns the property of the business. His employees don't. He sets the salaries. The employees don't.

Everything about his business is capitalism. You're just hung up on the wages he's paying his employees. You know, the wages he choose to pay them because he owns his business.

And those wages are paying off.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-70000-minimum-wage-is-paying-off-for-that-seattle-company-2015-10-25

Gravity Payments, that Seattle credit-card-payments processing company that said all its employees would earn at least $70,000 in three years, is defying the doomsayers.

Revenue is growing at twice the rate it was before Chief Executive Dan Price made his announcement this spring, according to a report on Inc.com. Profits have doubled. Customer retention is up, despite some who left because they disagreed with the decision or feared service would suffer. (Price said he’d make up the extra cost by cutting his own $1.1 million pay.)
 
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