CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.

[franklin]

Always fun.





So you randomly chose a garbage one that you could easily refute. My my, the brilliance!





Wait, am I proposing to raise the EITR? Reading comprehension, señor.






You're incredibly naïve. Corporate America isn't sequestering it's economic viability with its high tax-rates-- it's simply exploiting every tax-evading loophole to maintain its profit-generation.







Wrong. You cited a problem of the Japanese health-care system that was crippling a decade ago-- since then, many efforts have and continue to attempt to fix it.





Every country complains about, yet every country refuses to adopt a US-liek system. Why? A) nations have curtailed wait times (Japan, Germany) while still providing universal coverage; B) most people would rather offer free health-care than cause humongous portions of its citizens to file for bankruptcy due to medical bills.







Two words: tax evasion



Better healthcare to the minority of citizens that have access to it*** Only time your country ramps up spending on a health care technology is when there is an economic benefit to be drawn by it. Live by the dollar, die by the dollar. What a corrupt, socially out-of-touch nation you live in.




Likewise.



More like please the millions of citizens in your nations that your government is failing to support. An embarrassment.



As has been pointed out by many social scientists, the practice used by many neoconservative Americans that "______ (nation) is not America therefore we have nothing to learn from them" is stupid, and will eventually lead to the demise of the United States if this attitude does not change. Also, if you go through this thread you will realize that I have constantly referred to Japan & Germany as examples-- which if you consider a miniature state, then you're a fool.

Hahahaha this is like reading the left wing version of infowars.com.

 

[Deleted member 848]

When was the last time you had to scrape the ice out of your refrigerator and freezer?

I have done it at least every 2-3 weeks since we have been in Germany.

Oh and do you have a refrigerator that will hold a couple gallons of milk? We don't, and ours is one of the bigger ones I have seen here.

Do you enjoy air conditioning, either in a home, public building, or car? We don't. Can't find it here. Anywhere.

Do you like your free refills at a restaurant? Can't find that here either.

How about extra condiments? Better be prepared to pay.

Ever paid a surcharge to pay a fee? Yep, stacked fees, welcome to Europe.

Yeah, it is the most wonderful place on the planet, because it is so perfect. Or something.

Go around asking Germans if health care bills have ever bankrupted their family.


Then tell them that 30% of Americans who file for bankruptcy do so due to medical bills.

But you're right-- charging for condiments is certainly a more accurate way of measuring citizen happiness


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[Deleted member 848]

More demagoguery from biggest ideologue tard on the forum. Has Thriller Jr. made a single salient point in this thread?

I'll never get the Dalamon/Thriller/Pearl Watson types.

Do you know how to respond without insults? Or is this just a mental tick when you're stumped.


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[franklin]

Do you know how to respond without insults? Or is this just a mental tick when you're stumped.


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hahahaha that's so rich coming from you.


Sorry, mouse, I don't feel like playing cat again today.

 

[The Pearl]

Go around asking Germans if health care bills have ever bankrupted their family.


Then tell them that 30% of Americans who file for bankruptcy do so due to medical bills.

But you're right-- charging for condiments is certainly a more accurate way of measuring citizen happiness


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This logic is a tad bit along the lines of "I am never going to ride in the car because I might get in an accident, therefore nobody should ride in a car." Hey, if your greatest fear in life is that you might get sick and declare bankruptcy than certainly an argument could be made that one should live somewhere whereby this fear is eliminated. The overwhelming majority of clear thinking people aren't going to make broad sweeping political and lifestyle decisions based on a low probability event. That is irrational.

As somebody that has lived in two Euro countries and whose family has traveled extensively all around the globe, I believe what Log was trying to convey is the myth believed by most American's, particularly those with little traveling experience, is that countries embraced as better than the US provide a lifestyle equation that is expressed as "the American lifestyle plus all the safe harbors." What you quickly realize is that most citizens in non-US developed countries have lifestyles which almost all American's would perceive as "spartan." Not a ton of 3000 plus sq ft homes with big yards, multiple cars, and toys scattered around and there won't be any stopping on the way home from a day at Costco's in your Ford F 150 for a nice graze at Chuck A Rama.

If American's had to pay the price of goods and services in Europe and Asia there would be a revolt of epic proportions. Everybody who travels overseas is always shocked at how much things cost outside the U.S.

Every system has trade-offs, neither political side wants to acknowledge this. Most of the solutions offered are simply one variable cause and effect. It is easier for the brain to compute.

In terms of championing the lifestyle of other countries, most of this is done without acknowledging the cultural differences between the U.S. and the rest of the developed world.

 

[Deleted member 848]

This logic is a tad bit along the lines of "I am never going to ride in the car because I might get in an accident, therefore nobody should ride in a car." Hey, if your greatest fear in life is that you might get sick and declare bankruptcy than certainly an argument could be made that one should live somewhere whereby this fear is eliminated. The overwhelming majority of clear thinking people aren't going to make broad sweeping political and lifestyle decisions based on a low probability event. That is irrational.

I think you are underestimating the seriousness of this problem. The previous stat I've been throwing around was actually incorrect-- as of 2007, a Harvard study shows that at least 60% of bankruptcies are related to medical bills. Some estimates show that households containing 1.7 million people will file for bankruptcy protection annually. Even outside of bankruptcy, about 56 million adults—more than 20 percent of the population between the ages of 19 and 64—will still struggle with health-care-related bills this year. Is this a low probability event?

As somebody that has lived in two Euro countries and whose family has traveled extensively all around the globe, I believe what Log was trying to convey is the myth believed by most American's, particularly those with little traveling experience, is that countries embraced as better than the US provide a lifestyle equation that is expressed as "the American lifestyle plus all the safe harbors." What you quickly realize is that most citizens in non-US developed countries have lifestyles which almost all American's would perceive as "spartan." Not a ton of 3000 plus sq ft homes with big yards, multiple cars, and toys scattered around and there won't be any stopping on the way home from a day at Costco's in your Ford F 150 for a nice graze at Chuck A Rama.

Which is all wasteful, anyways. I get your drift, however.

If American's had to pay the price of goods and services in Europe and Asia there would be a revolt of epic proportions. Everybody who travels overseas is always shocked at how much things cost outside the U.S.

I'm sure if it was properly communicated that the costs were being allocated in order to provide social mobility, and citizen rights such as universal health care coverage, the potency of the revolts would be weakened.

Every system has trade-offs, neither political side wants to acknowledge this. Most of the solutions offered are simply one variable cause and effect. It is easier for the brain to compute.

Of course-- I'm sure we'd all agree with this.

In terms of championing the lifestyle of other countries, most of this is done without acknowledging the cultural differences between the U.S. and the rest of the developed world.

This is certainly true-- however, many Americans often take the opposite stance, and simply consider all non-American lifestyles/cultural differences as intrinsically inferior. This, to me, is largely problematic.

FWIW I have lived in both Europe and Canada, and I've spent some time in the United States.

 

[Gameface]

Dalamon, what do you think happens to a person who declares bankruptcy? You talk about it like they get fed into a furnace or something.

 

[franklin]

Why is money the Libarazzi's only motive? All I ever hear these softy lib kids talk about is bankruptcy, world happiness measured in terms of wealth inequality, affordable adult this and that, how expensive vehicles are these days, how somebody else should pay for their annual 28 day vacation like the Europeans get (oh wait, that myth has finally died)...

Do these people have any morals besides whatever puts money in their pockets regardless of the long term costs to society?

 

[The Pearl]

Dal,

I am going to assume that Obamacare solved or at least put a dent in healthcare bankruptcies and for that matter largely solved the healthcare problem in this country. You (not you personally, but the collective) can't have it both ways in terms of continued bemoaning the healthcare system and trumpeting the benefits of Obamacare. Those are two opposing arguments.

 

[The Pearl]

Why is money the Libarazzi's only motive? All I ever hear these softy lib kids talk about is bankruptcy, world happiness measured in terms of wealth inequality, affordable adult this and that, how expensive vehicles are these days, how somebody else should pay for their annual 28 day vacation like the Europeans get (oh wait, that myth has finally died)...

Do these people have any morals besides whatever puts money in their pockets regardless of the long term costs to society?

Liberals are not exempt from how humans are hard wired. People are mostly motivated in action and thought by greed and fear. Political alignment is largely a cover. Poor people in Red States vote Republican because they fear government intrusion more than they fear being on food stamps. Rich people vote liberal because they don't want their friends to think they are greedy, despite their lavish lifestyles.

Most people live lives filled with massive contradictions in thought and action.

As you well know, some of the greediest people are those that claim not to be...

 

[LogGrad98]

Why is money the Libarazzi's only motive? All I ever hear these softy lib kids talk about is bankruptcy, world happiness measured in terms of wealth inequality, affordable adult this and that, how expensive vehicles are these days, how somebody else should pay for their annual 28 day vacation like the Europeans get (oh wait, that myth has finally died)...

Do these people have any morals besides whatever puts money in their pockets regardless of the long term costs to society?

Actually Germans by and large do get 28 days vacation every year. On top of that anywhere from 9 to 13,depending on the state, of bank holidays. So is not uncommon to have more than 40 days off every year with pay.

 

[moevillini]

I'll never get the Dalamon/Thriller/Pearl Watson types.

now THAT would be a threesome for the ages



(sorry I have nothing more instructive to add to this discussion right now)

but I'm all for efforts to narrow the income gap between high wage earners and those in the middle