Chad Ford chat re: Jazz

[Deleted member 848]

This is all you understand from the article? Thats smart of you. I know my posts have a big effect in your life but you should keep relating these article to Jazz, not me.
Btw Chad says mostly what i was consistently telling, Kanter is talented, thats why it makes either Big Al or Memo expandable. And the rest is up to the way of thinking, some people may expand Memo but i would do Big Al since after a few years young guys get extension and we aren't gonna be able to afford the same players we have right now. (Memo may stay with mid level exception anymore but Big Al won't) I guess guys like you would prefer to see 2 superstars and 3 allstars in the team but that is pretty not realistic for our franchise

Imo it would be better to tank this season and get a good pick in this rich draft, but probably the whole season will be canceled so we won't need things like that anymore.

So the fact that a player seems to have a lot of talent going into the NBA, despite being 2 years removed from solid playing experience, and not even playing a single minute in a game so far, has made a 20/10 fringe all-star center expendable?? Simply because of potential?!?!?


I am deciding that it is best that I refrain from arguing with you. Im not even gonna comment any further on the absurdity of your post, even though your last sentence is seriously asking for it.

 

[freakazoid]

Kanter is talented, thats why it makes either Big Al or Memo expandable. And the rest is up to the way of thinking, some people may expand Memo but i would do Big Al.

I say we expand both of them. We could always use more size in the frontcourt.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I say we expand both of them. We could always use more size in the frontcourt.

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[Stifle Tower]

I say we expand both of them. We could always use more size in the frontcourt.

My name is Oliver Miller and that post was absoluetly delicious.

 

[sepanol]

So the fact that a player seems to have a lot of talent going into the NBA, despite being 2 years removed from solid playing experience, and not even playing a single minute in a game so far, has made a 20/10 fringe all-star center expendable?? Simply because of potential?!?!?


I am deciding that it is best that I refrain from arguing with you. Im not even gonna comment any further on the absurdity of your post, even though your last sentence is seriously asking for it.

Not only i say that, Chad Ford says that too, read the article before you try to find some arguments point with me.
Btw Boozer was a fringe all star too, so its ridiculous you think fringe all stars aren't expandable, he is Big Al, not Karl Malone. If he was that reliable, we wouldnt even have picked Kanter

 

[sepanol]

I say we expand both of them. We could always use more size in the frontcourt.

I think Memo can be a good backup with mid level exception but Big Al for sure won't get paid less than 14-15 a year which is quite ridiculous

 

[Brown Notes]

I think Memo can be a good backup with mid level exception but Big Al for sure won't get paid less than 14-15 a year which is quite ridiculous

You have been maintaining this insinuation that AJ is a selfish player who would never accept less than 14 mil per year. It would be better for you to provide something besides your absurd bias to back that up.

 

[sepanol]

You have been maintaining this insinuation that AJ is a selfish player who would never accept less than 14 mil per year. It would be better for you to provide something besides your absurd bias to back that up.

What do you have to back up he isnt a selfish player at all?

He was getting paid so much basically because Minnesota didn't have any players at all when they made contract with him, and they overvalued him. Right now, he doesn't really give me any feeling that he is a modest type of player who would be ok to make another contract with jazz for 30 million for 3 years, which is the most he deserves. I have seen how frustrated he was when he got benched just one game behind Favors in last quarter , so that doesn't really make me feel like he will consider he is really being overvalued right now and agree with a less favorable salary.

 

[Brown Notes]

What do you have to back up he isnt a selfish player at all?

He was getting paid so much basically because Minnesota didn't have any players at all when they made contract with him, and they overvalued him. Right now, he doesn't really give me any feeling that he is a modest type of player who would be ok to make another contract with jazz for 30 million for 3 years, which is the most he deserves. I have seen how frustrated he was when he got benched just one game behind Favors in last quarter , so that doesn't really make me feel like he will consider he is really being overvalued right now and agree with a less favorable salary.

So in other words, you got nothing but your own speculation or "feeling". No quotes from the player, locker room, agent, etc. It's laughable that you could see a player frustrated during a game and apply that to their mindset 2 years in the future re-negotiating.

Also, please try to educate yourself in debate. It is really hard to take you seriously when you make an assertion and then demand everybody either accept it as fact or prove a negative. Merely posting the assertion does not make it so.

 

[freakazoid]

My name is Oliver Miller and that post was absoluetly delicious.

Nice!

 

[sepanol]

So in other words, you got nothing but your own speculation or "feeling". No quotes from the player, locker room, agent, etc. It's laughable that you could see a player frustrated during a game and apply that to their mindset 2 years in the future re-negotiating.

Also, please try to educate yourself in debate. It is really hard to take you seriously when you make an assertion and then demand everybody either accept it as fact or prove a negative. Merely posting the assertion does not make it so.

I don't need to convince anyone, i am telling my own ideas here, and i don't need long papers of stats in order to evaluate players, i have my own eyes , own mind. If you can't make any judgment watching a player, and you need to hear it from other people, it is up to you.

I am just telling, Big Al is pretty overrated by us, we can have a bet if you are so high on him, i am pretty confident with my own opinions. I think whatever team he goes, he can't make it even to the conference semi finals for the next 5 years. If he gets older and agrees with a cheap contract and becomes a role player then i don't know, but he can't be one of the main 2 guys in a contending team, thats all i say.

 

[freakazoid]

I think Memo can be a good backup with mid level exception but Big Al for sure won't get paid less than 14-15 a year which is quite ridiculous

I love Memo, but due to his injury, I believe he's going to be too much of a defensive liabilty to get any significant minutes. As for big Al, I wouldn't be against trading him to improve the team, but Utah isn't going to trade him just to give minutes to Kanter, nor should they. If Kanter wants a starting spot, he's going to have to earn it on an NBA floor. It's not going to be given to him, he's going to have to take it. I have high hopes for him, but there's no reason Utah should get in a hurry to Dump Al with Memo expiring and also coming off a pretty signifigant injury.