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Chad Ford Mock Draft 3.0

Chad Ford Draft chat from earlier today.
https://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/38575

He says the Jazz will take Alec Burks AND Chris Singleton with the 12th. AMAZING that we can do that.

"Ted (NC)

Is Gordon Hayward a 2 or 3? Shouldn't the Jazz consider putting him at the 2 and drafting a 3 with AK47's contract ending?
Chad Ford (1:34 PM)

They do see him as a 2 which is why I have them taking Chris Singleton at No. 12."

"Matt (Seattle, WA)

Klay Thompson seems like a great fit for the Suns, moreso than Jimmer. Any chance he goes there at #13?
Chad Ford (1:30 PM)

He could. I actually have the Jazz taking Alec Burks in Mock Draft. 3.0. Jimmer is going to the Pacers. But Thompson's shooting ability would make him an attractive fit too."

yeah, he made a boo boo. Think he had us taking Burks with his first one. Even according to DX's Givony, Ford had the most accurate mock last year so he is far from perfect, but he has a lot of contacts and ESPN's money.
 
I'd play hardball with Cleveland if they REALLY want Kanter. O'Connor should tell them that the Jazz have no problems taking Kanter, and if they want him, it'll cost them their 2012 pick unprotected. No deal? Keep Kanter and start calling Toronto and Washington.

No way Cleveland would trade next year's pick unprotected for Kanter. Kanter is still to much of a question mark.
 
No way Cleveland would trade next year's pick unprotected for Kanter. Kanter is still to much of a question mark.

Then keep him. Seems like the three teams below the Jazz are quite enamored with the kid. They may become desperate enough to do an unprotected for him.
 
Chad Ford Draft chat from earlier today.
https://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/38575

He says the Jazz will take Alec Burks AND Chris Singleton with the 12th. AMAZING that we can do that.

"Ted (NC)

Is Gordon Hayward a 2 or 3? Shouldn't the Jazz consider putting him at the 2 and drafting a 3 with AK47's contract ending?
Chad Ford (1:34 PM)

They do see him as a 2 which is why I have them taking Chris Singleton at No. 12."

"Matt (Seattle, WA)

Klay Thompson seems like a great fit for the Suns, moreso than Jimmer. Any chance he goes there at #13?
Chad Ford (1:30 PM)

He could. I actually have the Jazz taking Alec Burks in Mock Draft. 3.0. Jimmer is going to the Pacers. But Thompson's shooting ability would make him an attractive fit too."

I think it's just a mistype. He has the Suns taking Alex Burks and the question was about the Suns.
 
I think the usual "fee" for a swap of two consecutive picks is $3 million.

There isn't much precedence for top draft picks being traded.

Hardaway-Webber trade netted three first round picks that I believe were unprotected for the Warriors. That was a 1-3 draft trade.

Only other one I can think of is Mayo-Love, and that included players and not picks.

Maybe you're thinking of the Foye-Roy deal?

In researching this, ESPN had a nice blurb:
Notable Draft-Day Trades
Involving Two Top-Five Picks

2006: Portland acquires the draft rights to No. 2 pick LaMarcus Aldridge and a future second-round pick from Chicago for Viktor Khryapa and the draft rights to No. 4 pick Tyrus Thomas.

1998: Golden State acquires draft rights to No. 4 pick Antawn Jamison for draft rights to No. 5 pick Vince Carter.

1996: Milwaukee trades draft rights to No. 4 pick Stephon Marbury to Minnesota for draft rights to No. 5 pick Ray Allen and a future first-round pick.

1993: Orlando trades draft rights to No. 1 pick Chris Webber to Golden State for draft rights to No. 3 pick Anfernee Hardaway and three future first-round picks.

I think the Allen-Marbury trade where an unprotected first is given a good benchmark for the Jazz to go after.
 
I'd play hardball with Cleveland if they REALLY want Kanter. O'Connor should tell them that the Jazz have no problems taking Kanter, and if they want him, it'll cost them their 2012 pick unprotected. No deal? Keep Kanter and start calling Toronto and Washington.

No matter how bad they want Kanter, it would be stupid for them to give up their own unprotected 2012 pick. They will give up the Miami one in a hurry but not their own.

What can Toronto or Washington offer us for Kanter? The most logical one I can think of is Ed Davis + No.5 for No.3 in which they will pick Kanter.

I agree, though, KOC has to say he will take Kanter without any kind of hesitation to force Cleveland's hand. I am still hoping the T-Wolves pick Kanter though.
 
Maybe you're thinking of the Foye-Roy deal?

I was actually thinking of the Vince Carter - Antawn Jamison deal.

What I think the blurb actually shows is that the value of those draft pick swaps has declined over time or is highly variable depending on the draft and players involved. One of the other examples not included there is, of course, the Deron Williams pick trade in which we traded #6, #27, and the next year's #30 to move up to #3. Very low 1st rounders are, of course, of dubious value because of their guaranteed contracts. I know there's several teams that prefer high second rounders for this exact reason.

If we wanted to use the Deron trade as a blueprint I think the best shot for the Jazz (if they're insistent on taking Knight or Walker as a PG with their lottery pick) might be to try to trade #3 for this season's #6 and #18 since it's known that the Wizards like Kanter. Personally I think that's going the wrong direction but that might be considered reasonable value for a pick swap and #6, #12, and #18 would be a good opportunity for a young talent infusion (and might even give the Jazz a third bite at the Jimmer apple).
 
And that's why the Jazz should play hardball and demand an unprotected pick for 2012. Keeping the pick and taking Kanter really isn't a bad decision. It's much better than #6, #12, and #18.
 
And that's why the Jazz should play hardball and demand an unprotected pick for 2012. Keeping the pick and taking Kanter really isn't a bad decision. It's much better than #6, #12, and #18.

Agreed. Take Kanter. Get someone like the Wiz to offer #6 (Knight), #18 (Who freakin' knows) and a 2012 unconditional 1st for #3 and I hate to say it, #12 too, which I think we'd have to include.
 
Good thoughts, kicky. It all depends on what the perceived talent drop-off is. It cost the Jazz quite a bit to go from #6 to #3 because there were 4 top players in the draft (Webber, Marvin Williams, DWill and CP3). After that you had Martell Webster, Raymond Felton, etc. Last season there was pretty much a consensus top-5 and KOC didn't have the assets to move up from #9 into that top group.

This year, I don't think any of the top 3 or 5 picks has a lot more value than the next several. Irving might be the consensus #1, but he's not projected to be at the same level as previous #1's. Minnesota is finding out there are few teams interested in giving up anything of significant value to move up. I don't necessarily think it's a "weak" draft. There is a lot of talent out there and the Jazz can get 2 potential starters or 6th-man types from their picks. But the draft does lack star power.
 
And that's why the Jazz should play hardball and demand an unprotected pick for 2012. Keeping the pick and taking Kanter really isn't a bad decision. It's much better than #6, #12, and #18.

Obviously I feel we should take Kanter, I'm speculating as to what the Jazz could receive in exchange for a swap based upon previous deals.
 
And that's why the Jazz should play hardball and demand an unprotected pick for 2012. Keeping the pick and taking Kanter really isn't a bad decision. It's much better than #6, #12, and #18.

This.
Keep the 3rd pick unless Cavs give their 2012 pick.
 
This.
Keep the 3rd pick unless Cavs give their 2012 pick.
I'd do it for Toronto's unprotected 2012 as well. Maybe Washington, though I think a high 30's second rounder, or a player would have to adjoin the unprotected 2012 to make me consider it were I the GM.
 
I would do it if KOC is convinced B Knight is the BPA. I would be okay with a swap of their pick next year with our GSW pick and allow them to top 3 protect their pick. If they get Irving and Kanter they will likely finish between 4-10 next year. (They played way better with Baron by the way, so I think they will be much better this year with fewer injuries and two talented additions plus free agency.)

I would prefer to offer them the lower of our possible two picks (GSW's and our own if we retain it somehow by not making the playoffs). Then, by giving that protection we should insist on this year second rounder and next years Miami pick.

Realistic result:

Cleveland #5 - Possible move up to get Barnes next year
Miami Pick- used to move up to get Barnes
Second Rounder this year- used to move up to get Biyombo, Burks or just sell it for a future first from someone needing a piece this year.

GSW pick ends up 12-20 (I actually think they make the playoffs next year)

But hopefully we just keep Kanter. I am not excited about a pg coming along slowly for two years behind Harris. I really would prefer Williams, but would be excited about Kanter too.
 
This.
Keep the 3rd pick unless Cavs give their 2012 pick.

Yep. Play hardball. If one of the bottom dwellers wants our pick bad enough then we have to get their 2012 pick unprotected.
The chance at Barnes or one of the hyped players next year would be hard to pass up. The GS pick is has no chance to get a top player in that draft.
 
The GS pick can absolutely pick up a fantastic pick in 2012. Right now, DX has the Jazz and GS picks selecting Michael Gilchrist and Austin Rivers. Wow!
 
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