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theNBAnerd said:
i was responding to your comment about how he has long arms and he's strong, so he'll be fine. he actually has shorter arms than gordon and less strength... so if gordon hasn't turned into an elite NBA scorer, why will beal be?
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He's 18 years old. He won't hit his prime for a while. Maybe he could grow. He will get bigger too. I don't think he'll be an elite NBA scorer, but he will be an All star
 
Im a fan of burks learning to play point guard. that said i would poop a little if we somehow got MKG. maybe its just me but i am high on the kid. i think mkg/hayward/burks/favors/kanter combo would be devestating in 2 or 3 years
 
theNBAnerd said:
i was responding to your comment about how he has long arms and he's strong, so he'll be fine. he actually has shorter arms than gordon and less strength... so if gordon hasn't turned into an elite NBA scorer, why will beal be?
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Where has Eric Gordon been ranked among the top scorers in the league, the last few years?
 
franklin said:
Kanter is young and on a cheap contract, Stroked. His potential is a lot more alluring and also fits inside youth movements. It doesn't make sense for anyone to take on Jefferson unless he's going to be that final piece in a championship run. But if you have a 4-5 year window...

I believe the Jazz can easily pick up a reasonable replacement for Kanter on the open market. Hell, we're speculating about dumping a 27 year old power forward who works his *** off and has a 21.9 PER for a #6 pick or not resigning him for what he's worth. Keeping "undersized" Millsap is not a problem with Favors roaming around the paint and competent wing defenders to back them up. He's only 5 years into the league and fits perfectly into the youth movement, yet adds veteran experience and leadership.

Jazz have little chance of landing a top 5 shooting guard or small forward outside the draft. What are we hoping for at this point? Andre Kirilenko again? Jazz could pair Kanter with Jefferson for a high pick and cap relief. Then go after Batum and solidify twice over on the wing. Charlotte's shopping the #2. How about calling them up and offering last year's #3 and Jefferson for the #2, then swapping it for the #4 and 24?
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I like some of the basics here. Maybe something like Jefferson and Kanter for #3 and filler and draft MKG. Then, if Marshall slips, I'd use pick #47 and the GS pick to try to snag him. I'd also try to keep our deep big man rotation by attempting to sign one or two of Stiemsma, Asik, Robin Lopez, and maybe even Oden on a flier. The filler could be Blatche who could come off the bench but I'm not sure if I want him here.
 
While I enjoy talking about and anticipating the Draft it also drives me crazy. With a very few exceptions, players in the draft are gambles. When we talk about giving up players that we know a lot about (Millsap, Burks) in order to be able to draft a Lillard or BEAL.... I have to ask myself if those guys are truly guaranteed, or even likely to be better than Millsap or Burks.

If you keep getting younger every year, and trade off good pieces to gamble that the next young guy might be better than the last young guy.

I am not convinced that the guys we are talking about drafting are worth giving up pieces required to draft them. YOU ONLY DO THAT FOR SURE THINGS, AND I DON'T SEE LILLARD AND BEAL AS SURE THINGS.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I like some of the basics here. Maybe something like Jefferson and Kanter for #3 and filler and draft MKG. Then, if Marshall slips, I'd use pick #47 and the GS pick to try to snag him. I'd also try to keep our deep big man rotation by attempting to sign one or two of Stiemsma, Asik, Robin Lopez, and maybe even Oden on a flier. The filler could be Blatche who could come off the bench but I'm not sure if I want him here.
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Trading Kanter and Jefferson would be stupid and the Jazz would not trade both their legitimate centers. Trading Jefferson, and Burks to draft MKG makes way more sense especially for the 4th pick. Cleveland has big holes at C and SG.
 
mfree said:
While I enjoy talking about and anticipating the Draft it also drives me crazy. With a very few exceptions, players in the draft are gambles. When we talk about giving up players that we know a lot about (Millsap, Burks) in order to be able to draft a Lillard or BEAL.... I have to ask myself if those guys are truly guaranteed, or even likely to be better than Millsap or Burks.

If you keep getting younger every year, and trade off good pieces to gamble that the next young guy might be better than the last young guy.

I am not convinced that the guys we are talking about drafting are worth giving up pieces required to draft them. YOU ONLY DO THAT FOR SURE THINGS, AND I DON'T SEE LILLARD AND BEAL AS SURE THINGS.
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I like this post.... which is why it would be really nice to have our own draft pick this year. Then we wouldn't have to give up a millsap, jefferson, burks, or kanter.

But hey at least we have that 4 game sweep of experience in our bank account.
 
fishonjazz said:
I like this post.... which is why it would be really nice to have our own draft pick this year. Then we wouldn't have to give up a millsap, jefferson, burks, or kanter.

But hey at least we have that 4 game sweep of experience in our bank account.
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oh quit the whining already. our guys now know what the playoffs feel like and now next year we'll be one of those teams with the leverage of having multiple picks.
 
Or our guys go into the next playoff series and have flashbacks of the butt kicking san antonio dished out on us and they get nervous and lose thier confidence.

Oh and i was not whining.... just saying that maybe if we had our own pick then we could package it with jefferson, or next years GS pick and get up into the top 10. Then we wouldn't be talking about trading burks, kanter, or hayward.
 
not sure that a #14 pick would have done us that much good anyway in terms of trade value.

houston just got used the #14 pick and dalembert to move up to #12 and take back two team option guys and jon leuer. doesn't really sound like the sexiest trade chip, does it?
 
theNBAnerd said:
not sure that a #14 pick would have done us that much good anyway in terms of trade value.

houston just got used the #14 pick and dalembert to move up to #12 and take back two team option guys and jon leuer. doesn't really sound like the sexiest trade chip, does it?
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So they now have #12, #16, and #18.
 
theNBAnerd said:
not sure that a #14 pick would have done us that much good anyway in terms of trade value.

houston just got used the #14 pick and dalembert to move up to #12 and take back two team option guys and jon leuer. doesn't really sound like the sexiest trade chip, does it?
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Yet you were just bragging up the "leverage" a maybe, maybe not GSW pick and the Jazz' own late first would have. Deedumdeedoo.

FYI, fishonjazz, this guy gets really pissy when we don't soak up his jazzbros "expertise". Moving on...
 
i'm not saying a #14 doesn't have value. it clearly has some. just saying that making the playoffs and getting beat up by one of the best teams ALSO has value, and that #14 very rarely produces star-level talent or a whopping trade asset.
 
theNBAnerd said:
i'm not saying a #14 doesn't have value. it clearly has some. just saying that making the playoffs and getting beat up by one of the best teams ALSO has value, and that #14 very rarely produces star-level talent or a whopping trade asset.
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If Hayward uses his pathetic showing as motivation to get more consistent, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If Favors uses watching Jefferson curl in to the fetal position as motivation to kill him in camp this fall, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If watching Millsap and Jefferson get destroyed by their front line gives the FO motivation to find more time for Favors and Kanter, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If Burks realizing that his lack of an outside shot and other deficiencies allowed a crappy Howard/Carroll to play over him and he works on those things, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.
 
theNBAnerd said:
not sure that a #14 pick would have done us that much good anyway in terms of trade value.

houston just got used the #14 pick and dalembert to move up to #12 and take back two team option guys and jon leuer. doesn't really sound like the sexiest trade chip, does it?
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Oh David, stop shilling
 
green said:
If Hayward uses his pathetic showing as motivation to get more consistent, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If Favors uses watching Jefferson curl in to the fetal position as motivation to kill him in camp this fall, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If watching Millsap and Jefferson get destroyed by their front line gives the FO motivation to find more time for Favors and Kanter, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If Burks realizing that his lack of an outside shot and other deficiencies allowed a crappy Howard/Carroll to play over him and he works on those things, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.
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All very good points, and im not disagreeing but..... those are all things that we might have (hypotheticals) vs a pick that we would be guaranteed to have.

Of course we would lose next years pick if we would have received this years pick. So i am not trying to pick a fight about playoffs vs picks again.... just saying it would be cool if we had our own pick in this draft.

That nba nerd sure is a fiesty gal.
 
green said:
If Hayward uses his pathetic showing as motivation to get more consistent, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If Favors uses watching Jefferson curl in to the fetal position as motivation to kill him in camp this fall, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If watching Millsap and Jefferson get destroyed by their front line gives the FO motivation to find more time for Favors and Kanter, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.

If Burks realizing that his lack of an outside shot and other deficiencies allowed a crappy Howard/Carroll to play over him and he works on those things, then getting whooped by SA was better than the #14 pick.
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I like this.
 
agree with all those points, but i still think there's an advantage to making the playoffs just in terms of growth, too.

if you watched the playoffs, you heard multiple announcers, players and coaches talk about how nobody just shows up and wins it all. it's a process. you figure out how to make it there, then you figure out how to win, then you figure out how to win on the road, then you climb the mountain until you make it to the finals, and THEN you can start thinking about championships. even the greats had to follow that path.

the jazz have started that process now. if we had missed the playoffs this year, chances are good that next year would have been the year we got our asses kicked.
 
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