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Charlie Kirk shot at UVU event

I’m admittedly not too many hours into listening to some of these debates with Kirk. Never heard a word of his prior, but thanks to both sides of this stupid argumentative thread I’ve done so.

So far nothing that is him spouting hatred. He had made some dodge, stretch answers/retorts. He does have a mocking tone at times. I’ve also seen him be respectful as well. I’ve seen 10x worse here daily. If his is hate speech, then you people are friggin hitlers yourselves.

One of my thoughts is I won’t necessarily believe stats or facts spouted by Red or Kirk (whoever) without backup. Who knows if I’d be getting “DOL” stats on employment. I say look into everything. It’s easy to accept something conforming with your confirmation biases. Trust no one, check sources, data and conclusions. I do try to check links and sources.

There are so many instances of quoting one thing out of context to twist the message or get a reaction.

Both sides here need to deescalate. Kirk was not the second coming of St John, but he wasn’t Stalin either.

I might respond to a post or two that I disagree with in part or whole, or find intellectually dishonest.

I won’t respond to all the smug, repugnant posts some of you made, and I hope you find shame at some point for them.

He has made some full-on racist and misogynistic statements though.
 
Does calling Trump a rapist and pedophile over and over make you feel right about hating him? Is it about those things? Probably not or you’d say the same crap about Biden, Clinton, or whoever. You pick and choose who you call names and it makes you feel strong?

99% sure there are a boatload of dems, republs, and celebs on that Epstein list.

Don’t act like it’s a one name list. It’s tiring.

I really don’t like Trump but your one sided shtick is tiring. If you call one out, call them all out.

Who is acting like Trump is the only one? Why should we have to call out others at the same time we call out Trump? I agree with you that they should all be investigated but The Rapist is our current President. He said he was going to release it. If he were innocent he could just release the list to absolve himself. There's plenty of evidence that he's a predator, much of it from his own mouth. Do you think the Epstein list is a "hoax"? I don't understand your reasoning.
 
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This sucks. Who’s crushing free speech now? And is it permanent? Is this the way it’s going to be? Liberal voices silenced, period? Bondi said the DOJ will go after anyone for hate speech. Than retracted the threat. After all, hate speech is permitted by the constitution. Are we all enjoying the move to totalitarianism? (And, science is actively working on technologies that can decode brain activity to "read" thought, so maybe we’ll top the Chinese in controlling our citizens?)There’s a term for what ABC has become: collaborators. Cowards. This is how totalitarianism wins. Are we simply walking right into the end of our democracy, beginning with the end of free speech?

Dictators need collaborators. It makes their goals so much easier to reach. And there will always be cowards where $$$ is concerned. $$$ is so much more important than being principled.





In a stunning move, ABC announced Wednesday, Sept. 17 that it was taking "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" off the air indefinitely, after FCC chairman Brendan Carr threatened Kimmel and the network on a podcast over comments Kimmel made about the man charged with shooting Charlie Kirk.

In a year of gutless moves by major media companies, this may be the most gutless. ABC should be ashamed.

Earlier Wednesday, Brendan Carr, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, threatened ABC, Disney and Jimmy Kimmel over a Kimmel monologue that included comments about Charlie Kirk, ominously saying, "We can do this the easy way or the hard way."

A quick reminder that Carr is the chairman of the FCC, not a mob boss in a third-rate gangster movie. It's another example of Donald Trump's administration's threats to free speech, or at least free speech that doesn't praise Trump. Anything the president doesn't agree with or takes offense to, you're all out of luck.
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What happens when comedians are held to higher standards than Vice Presidents?



It's really incredible how little organized resistance there is.
 
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Does calling Trump a rapist and pedophile over and over make you feel right about hating him? Is it about those things? Probably not or you’d say the same crap about Biden, Clinton, or whoever. You pick and choose who you call names and it makes you feel strong?

99% sure there are a boatload of dems, republs, and celebs on that Epstein list.

Don’t act like it’s a one name list. It’s tiring.

I really don’t like Trump but your one sided shtick is tiring. If you call one out, call them all out.

I'm calling him out because he's the ****ing President bro. Sorry that it's tiring for you.
 
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