Charlie Kirk shot at UVU event

[fishonjazz]

Personally, and I know many people will be against this idea cause free speech, I with that all social media (Twitter, truth social, Facebook, Instagram, tik tok, jazzfanz etc) would operate like the BYU message board.
You can't be a dick to the other users on there. It's very strict. And I, being what many people would consider a lefty, on a conservative website like that (the moderators are 100% conservative trump voters) love how censored it is. It's so nice and pleasant to just discuss stuff. You can disagree but you can't be a dick.
I'm sure that if that were to happen on all interactive media then people would be bigly mad at first. But I bet over time not having anyone be rude, profane, violent etc at you and you not being able to act that way to others... After a while most everyone would prefer the new, much kinder environment and wonder why we took so long to make the change.
Charlie Kirk would probably still be alive. Not as rich but still alive.

A man can dream.

It was nice 30 years ago when we had free speech but after reading a newspaper article about Bush or Clinton or whatever we couldn't go to the comments section and start talking **** to each other. We still had free speech but we weren't free to do that yet.

We would watch the news and something would trigger us and piss us off and we might bitch to our friends family neighbors and co workers but we couldn't pick fights with billions of random people all over the world. Still had free speech though.

I miss that dynamic in society.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Damn, you talking about seeing the children actually die really hit me. It would change my entire life to see something like that.. I hope I never have to see anything even close to that. I haven't seen the footage of Kirk getting shot. I actively avoid that kind of stuff.

I think you make a really good point. I also think that's not all of it. For a lot of people it was "their guy" and that is why it hurts so much.

I don’t think this has much to do with “their guy”. I don’t use social media, don’t consume the news of any type and I had no clue who Kirk was or did, and when a friend showed the video of him being shot, once was more than enough. We are not equipped to watch people die and be ok with it. We shouldn’t be. There is a reason people that survive war situations often need help coping with normal life after. Consuming content, entertainment, or whatever that desensitizes or normalizes us from violence, death, rape, or other traumatic types of events is harmful even in small doses over time.

This video was watched by so many people. Kids with phones saw this. Jr high and high school kids are needing people to walk/talk them through the bit of trauma they felt from watching it. Normal people don’t watch someone die like this and shrug it off. They cope how they cope. Cry, laugh/joke, share, whatever… but there is a bit of shock they are experiencing and processing.

I guess people cope here by posting their reactionary take here?

I agree that watching it changes it from some obscure event we use our own imagination to visualize or sort in our minds. When we see someone bleed and die, in a real life setting, it hits harder. It’s different in our minds from seeing the same thing in fictionalized entertainment, though I feel both have an impact. It’s just the scale is bigger irl.

I have more to say, but I’m done typing.

 

[Mongoose]

It is obvious why you guys are so blind to reality. You're influenced by crap like this


View: https://x.com/SwipeWright/status/1966715980756701383?t=cucgFdt-25CCruekFBkRHg&s=19

Most of the posters here are willingly and/or intentionally stupid and misinformed morons as I demonstrated with fish’s propaganda from the bs now article.

 

[enchilada_style]

I don’t think this has much to do with “their guy”. I don’t use social media, don’t consume the news of any type and I had no clue who Kirk was or did, and when a friend showed the video of him being shot, once was more than enough. We are not equipped to watch people die and be ok with it. We shouldn’t be. There is a reason people that survive war situations often need help coping with normal life after. Consuming content, entertainment, or whatever that desensitizes or normalizes us from violence, death, rape, or other traumatic types of events is harmful even in small doses over time.

This video was watched by so many people. Kids with phones saw this. Jr high and high school kids are needing people to walk/talk them through the bit of trauma they felt from watching it. Normal people don’t watch someone die like this and shrug it off. They cope how they cope. Cry, laugh/joke, share, whatever… but there is a bit of shock they are experiencing and processing.

I guess people cope here by posting their reactionary take here?

I agree that watching it changes it from some obscure event we use our own imagination to visualize or sort in our minds. When we see someone bleed and die, in a real life setting, it hits harder. It’s different in our minds from seeing the same thing in fictionalized entertainment, though I feel both have an impact. It’s just the scale is bigger irl.

I have more to say, but I’m done typing.

Solid take

 

[PJF]

Facts are coming in.


View: https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1966897516407853091?t=ZjSZ7zt2H5LhpQf4MrEDrQ&s=19

 

[fishonjazz]

I don’t think this has much to do with “their guy”. I don’t use social media, don’t consume the news of any type and I had no clue who Kirk was or did, and when a friend showed the video of him being shot, once was more than enough. We are not equipped to watch people die and be ok with it. We shouldn’t be. There is a reason people that survive war situations often need help coping with normal life after. Consuming content, entertainment, or whatever that desensitizes or normalizes us from violence, death, rape, or other traumatic types of events is harmful even in small doses over time.

This video was watched by so many people. Kids with phones saw this. Jr high and high school kids are needing people to walk/talk them through the bit of trauma they felt from watching it. Normal people don’t watch someone die like this and shrug it off. They cope how they cope. Cry, laugh/joke, share, whatever… but there is a bit of shock they are experiencing and processing.

I guess people cope here by posting their reactionary take here?

I agree that watching it changes it from some obscure event we use our own imagination to visualize or sort in our minds. When we see someone bleed and die, in a real life setting, it hits harder. It’s different in our minds from seeing the same thing in fictionalized entertainment, though I feel both have an impact. It’s just the scale is bigger irl.

I have more to say, but I’m done typing.

Yep. 100%
If the same number of americans who saw Charlie Kirk get murdered also saw children being murdered in the same horrific clarity then something might actually be done about it. Maybe not. But people would certainly be more upset about it.

As it stands right now schools get shot up pretty regularly and I will be honest and admit that I just take it in stride and move on with my day and barely mention it. And I volunteer at an elementary school and have so much love for all the kids there.

This thread is 17 pages long in less than a week. The next school shooting where kids die might not even have a thread about it.

 

[Mongoose]

Yep. 100%
If the same number of americans who saw Charlie Kirk get murdered also saw children being murdered in the same horrific clarity then something might actually be done about it. Maybe not. But people would certainly be more upset about it.

As it stands right now schools get shot up pretty regularly and I will be honest and admit that I just take it in stride and move on with my day and barely mention it. And I volunteer at an elementary school and have so much love for all the kids there.

This thread is 17 pages long in less than a week. The next school shooting where kids die might not even have a thread about it.

This is total propaganda. I’m just going to copy and paste facts that I responded to red with when he was saying the same bogus lies.

I think you may have been propagandized on this subject and have a skewed perspective. Is 500 deaths a year a lot? Sure, but there are significantly worse problems plaguing our country. You should ask yourself why are politicians so worried about this subject and not others? What do they have to gain from getting support to ban guns in America? Why does the media always make this out to be such a significant issue? 41000 people a year die in car accidents in the US, 913,000 people in the US die every year from heart disease, 619,000 people in the US die every year from cancer, 100,000 people a year in the US die of diabetes. Why no uproar over this? These are preventable deaths too! Where is the ****ing health care uproar?

The media has many people like you believing these mass shootings are happening everywhere all the time and that every other person on the street in America is some sort of psychopath mass murderer and it isn't factual, it's propaganda. There is a very small population of mentally ill people in America getting access to guns that shouldn't have access to them and the bias and corrupt media blows these stories up every single time.

The U.S. has the highest number of mass shootings globally, but the number of deaths varies by definition:

• Gun Violence Archive (GVA): Defines a mass shooting as an incident where four or more people are shot (injured or killed), excluding the shooter, at the same general time and location. In 2021, GVA reported 706 deaths from mass shootings.
  
  
  
  
  • In 2023, GVA recorded 503 mass shootings, with an estimated 600–700 deaths based on trends (exact death tolls vary as data is updated).
    
    
    
    
• FBI Definition: Defines an "active shooter incident" as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill in a populated area. In 2021, the FBI reported 103 deaths (excluding perpetrators) from such incidents.
  
  
  
  
  • In 2023, the FBI reported 105 deaths from active shooter incidents.
    
    
    
    
• Mother Jones/Statista: Defines a mass shooting as an indiscriminate rampage in a public place with three or more fatalities (excluding the shooter). As of September 4, 2024, only 8 deaths were reported from two mass shootings in the U.S. for 2024, though this is likely an undercount due to the partial year and stricter definition.
  
  
  
  
• Everytown Research: Notes that mass shootings (four or more killed) account for about 1% of U.S. gun deaths. With 46,728 total gun deaths in 2023, this suggests roughly 467 deaths from mass shootings annually, though this varies by year.
  
  
  
  

Average Estimate: Depending on the definition, U.S. mass shooting deaths range from 100–700 annually, with GVA’s broader definition yielding higher counts (closer to 600–700) and stricter definitions (FBI, Mother Jones) yielding lower counts (100–200).


If you’re a dog lover here’s another stat for you. You should also consider there are 4.5 million dog attacks every year in the USA. 800,000 of those attacks require medical attention. Dogs are dangerous and these attacks drag on our medical system.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ya I think after this past week some people are going to get louder, fight harder, never surrender, be more aggressive.

I think I will try to go the other route and be quieter, fight less, surrender more often, lose more arguments, not have the last word etc. It will be hard and I wont always succeed. Sometimes im sure that anger and darkness will flow from my hands to the keyboard but hopefully it will be way less often. Maybe over time it will get easier and there will be a snowball effect and I will get to a place where I always behave as if I were on the BYU message board lol.

 

[Mongoose]

Ya I think after this past week some people are going to get louder, fight harder, never surrender, be more aggressive.

I think I will try to go the other route and be quieter, fight less, surrender more often, lose more arguments, not have the last word etc. It will be hard and I wont always succeed. Sometimes im sure that anger and darkness will flow from my hands to the keyboard but hopefully it will be way less often. Maybe over time it will get easier and there will be a snowball effect and I will get to a place where I always behave as if I were on the BYU message board lol.

It’s like so many of you circle jerkers made a blood oath to defend democrats to your dying breath. No matter how many friends you lose, or how many time your exposed, or whatever else occurs.
Just go back and look at the first few pages of the thread democrats try and kill democrats page. Thriller was totally exposed as a completely captured ideologue. He was on the wrong side of atrocities time after time and apparently didn’t learn anything about the dangers of his rhetoric and justifications. Even after it was exposed to him then he came back on the wrong side of this Charlie Kirk assassination. He finally had to face the music and I hope he is actually touching some grass, conversing with real people, and reassessing his cult behaviors. Either that or he’s just hoping nobody noticed and he’s trying to lay low for a while, or create a new account. Who knows… I encourage you all to go back and read it. Even the ******** thread title was exposed.
I don’t see any indicators that any of you will, but if you are going to spend another decade wasting your time on this site, I think you should do yourselves a favor and at least be willing to try and learn something while you’re here. Even if it’s just about your own behavior like thriller.

 

[LogGrad98]

Matthew Dowd's firing begins flood of people facing consequences for their comments on Kirk's death

Former MSNBC analyst Matthew Dowd opened a floodgate of people who faced consequences for statements in the media — social or otherwise — in the wake of conservative activist Charlie Kirk's assassination.

apnews.com

MSNBC said Dowd is no longer with the network after his comments, shortly after the shooting, about “hateful words” leading to “hateful actions.” Both MSNBC President Rebecca Kutler and Dowd apologized for the remarks, which Kutler called “inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable.”

Dowd said he didn’t intend for his comments to blame Kirk for the attack. Still, it brought an abrupt interruption to his work as a television commentator, which the former aide to President George W. Bush has done for nearly two decades.

A Florida reporter was suspended for a question posed to a congressman. A comic book writer lost her job because of social media posts, as did educators in Mississippi and Tennessee. “CBS Mornings” host Nate Burleson was attacked for a question. An Arizona sports reporter and a Carolina Panthers public relations official both lost jobs.

The site published a running list Thursday of targeted posts, along with the names, locations and employers of people who posted them. While some posts contained incendiary language, others didn’t appear to celebrate the shooting or glorify violence.

The president of Middle Tennessee State University said he’d fired a staffer who offered “callous and inappropriate comments on social media” about the assassination.

X post by Tennessee GOP Sen. Marsha Blackburn identified an assistant dean of students at MTSU who posted online that she had “ZERO sympathy” following the shooting. Blackburn said the person should be ashamed and fired.

The rush to police commentary appeared to have little precedent in other recent examples of political violence, such as the 2022 attack on Paul Pelosi, husband of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, or the shooting deaths earlier this year former Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman, a Democrat, and her husband Mark.

A writer for the Arizona media company PHNX Sports was fired after conservative activists called attention to a series of online posts that attacked Kirk’s positions on guns and Gaza and called him evil.

Burleson, a former football star turned anchor for CBS News’ morning show, was attacked online for asking former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy on the air Thursday whether this was a moment for the Republican party to reflect on political violence.


Damn. Seems like the party of free speech want people punished for saying mean things when someone on the right is killed but have no problem with people saying mean things when someone on the left is killed.

And it's totally fine when one of the biggest stars on the biggest news network says we should kill all homeless people.

Wonder what Charlie Kirk would think of all this.

Fascist playbook in full swing.

 

[fishonjazz]

Fascist playbook in full swing.

Im sure Charlie Kirk's death will get milked for everything possible. Anything can be justified now that this first political attack in history has occurred.
Im sure trump will use this as justification for some future atrocity.
The left is violent and evil. I mean they think all homeless people should be murdered for goodness sake.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yep. 100%
If the same number of americans who saw Charlie Kirk get murdered also saw children being murdered in the same horrific clarity then something might actually be done about it. Maybe not. But people would certainly be more upset about it.

As it stands right now schools get shot up pretty regularly and I will be honest and admit that I just take it in stride and move on with my day and barely mention it. And I volunteer at an elementary school and have so much love for all the kids there.

This thread is 17 pages long in less than a week. The next school shooting where kids die might not even have a thread about it.

They haven't. A school shooting happened at exactly the time Kirk was shot, got almost zero coverage and barely a mention here. To be honest I don't even know if anyone died, I think the shooter killed himself but the others were just wounded. Just. **** me at how this has become normalized in our society. Oh there was another school shooting today, hey and bread is on sale at Walmart! Better make a note. Buy bread. Disgusting what's happening to our society in front of our very noses.